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Post by jmays on Apr 15, 2003 7:37:47 GMT -5
Hey yall, I have my polygraph exam on the 30th, and I am obviously curious about it. I was wondering if anyone who has taken it in the past could shed some light on what type types of things I need to be aware of and all that crap. Please, do not post any anti-polygraph crap, because I have seen it all, and I dont want this to get cluttered with stupid nonsense. Thanks.
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Post by guest on Apr 15, 2003 14:14:38 GMT -5
Jmays,
If you think the antipoly stuff is crap you are neive and I wish you luck on passing. I suggest you keep yourself in the dark and hope you fumble your way through it. I would not even ask others for help and info here if you aren't going listen and digest to it all.
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Post by journey2cps-redux on Apr 15, 2003 16:53:48 GMT -5
Please tell me we're not going to get into this whole ploygraph fiasco again!!
Look guest, any long term posters here know who you are, and we know you are upset about your deferal becuase of "a biased" interviewer. We understand and yes there is always a risk with taking a polygraph. If they were 100% reliable they would be allowed as evidence in courts. This does not mean however that whenever you take a polygraph you will be screwed over!! if that was the case then we wouldn't have very many LEOs in the world....
anyway my only advice on the poly is be honest, and answer ONLY what you are asked. for example if they ask about trying drugs and you have just Yes. don't add any more details unless specificaly asked. No matter what DO NOT change or reword an answer that you have previously given if the question is re asked.
I had a co-worker that went through the poly with Calgary Police, and he was pleasantly suprised. He said the interviewer he had was super firendly, spent about an hour an a half talking to him, then hooked him up asked 5 questions and he was done....I dunno my thoughts on the subject...
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Post by lich on Apr 15, 2003 21:02:11 GMT -5
I don't understand the post. What are you looking for, jmays?
As I see it, there are two schools of thought. One states the polygraph works just fine, so go in and be completely honest. That way you'll have no worries and you'll either get to be a cop or not. The other theory states the polygraph test is a load of crap used and abused by the testers to validate their positions, weed out candidates they dislike, and otherwise pressure their candidates into a deceptive response.
So... if you don't want to hear the anti-polygraph crap, since you've seen it all already and think it is stupid nonsense, you must support the first position. Hey, don't worry, just go in and be honest and you'll be a cop or you won't.
Good luck.
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Post by Romano on Apr 15, 2003 21:47:32 GMT -5
Jmays, I took the poly for CPS last year. It is going to be intimidating and yes it is pretty stressful but if you just answer the questions honestly and without elaborating on your answer you'll be fine. Listen to what journey says and only answer what you are asked. The interviewer I had was very friendly and professional which made things a bit easier. Don't sweat it just go in there and get through it. Good luck, let us know how you do.
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Post by jmays on Apr 16, 2003 10:19:46 GMT -5
I don't understand the post. What are you looking for, jmays? As I see it, there are two schools of thought. One states the polygraph works just fine, so go in and be completely honest. That way you'll have no worries and you'll either get to be a cop or not. The other theory states the polygraph test is a load of crap used and abused by the testers to validate their positions, weed out candidates they dislike, and otherwise pressure their candidates into a deceptive response. So... if you don't want to hear the anti-polygraph crap, since you've seen it all already and think it is stupid nonsense, you must support the first position. Hey, don't worry, just go in and be honest and you'll be a cop or you won't. Good luck. What the crap are you talking about? Thanks to you guys who gave me advise. I guess I should elaborate on my question a bit... I am pretty much going in there blind about what to expect. They sent me a questionaire concerning the polygraph. I guess its what they are going to go over with me when they actually strap me up to the machine. The form is about 12 pages long and asked a lot of crap. It focuses on drugs and on stealing, and employment and all that. I am pretty clean as far as most stuff goes, but I worked at a grocery store and have taken small items in the past. A coke here, and a doughnut there. Nothing if any real value. So on this form, when they ask "List all items you have stolen" do they really want me to put down the 5 grapes i ate while I was browsing the produce department? Or are they talking about possible car stereo's I have stolen? If I list all the small stolen, that would be a waste of time especially if they don't care about it. Also, I can't even remember what all I have stolen in the past. Its not a lot, but I have done it. So I am just confused about that part. Its hard for me to not provide any more info than what they ask me when they specifically ask for a list of every single thing I have stolen in my entire life. |
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Post by journey2cps-redux on Apr 16, 2003 11:03:54 GMT -5
What we meant by not giving more info than asked applies more to when your hooked up than to the pre questions...For the pre questions be honest and as thurough as you can when answering. this is what they will use as the basis for the actuall question they will ask. For example, on the question about stealing, your would write down everything (within reason) that you have taken, the situation, why you did it blah blah blah...The reason you want to be thurough on that is because they will ask (when hooked up) Have you ever stolen anything? You answer YES. (As per your written answer) Then they will ask have you ever stolen anything that was not disclosed in your answers (or whatever the wording they use). You would answer NO. (hopefully  ) Hope that clears up what was trying to be comunicated. |
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Post by George Maschke on Apr 16, 2003 12:24:01 GMT -5
Hey yall, I have my polygraph exam on the 30th, and I am obviously curious about it. I was wondering if anyone who has taken it in the past could shed some light on what type types of things I need to be aware of and all that crap. Please, do not post any anti-polygraph crap, because I have seen it all, and I dont want this to get cluttered with stupid nonsense. Thanks. I am a co-founder of AntiPolygraph.org, which is probably the most prominent of the antipolygraph websites. On what basis did you reach the conclusion that antipolygraph arguments are "crap" and "stupid nonsense?" If you would like a detailed explanation of what goes on in the course of a pre-employment polygraph examination, see Chapter 3 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. It's well-referenced with citations that skeptical readers may check for themselves. The sources we relied on include U.S. Department of Defense documentation obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and Polygraph, the quarterly journal of the American Polygraph Association. George W. Maschke AntiPolygraph.org |
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Post by journey2cps-redux on Apr 16, 2003 16:04:56 GMT -5
Holy Crap, Do you just constantly monitor these posts for the word polygraph??? Not dissing your site, I've actually read your book, and there is some interesting information there...I just find it kinda spooky that no matter where the word polygraph comes up there are your posts...
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Post by therecruit1 on Apr 16, 2003 23:52:39 GMT -5
jamays,
You sure did open up pandora's box here. My advice and the advice from the people I know who have done the Poly is be honest and don't try to beat it by not telling the truth!
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Post by jmays on Apr 18, 2003 8:29:07 GMT -5
I am a co-founder of AntiPolygraph.org, which is probably the most prominent of the antipolygraph websites. On what basis did you reach the conclusion that antipolygraph arguments are "crap" and "stupid nonsense?" If you would like a detailed explanation of what goes on in the course of a pre-employment polygraph examination, see Chapter 3 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector. It's well-referenced with citations that skeptical readers may check for themselves. The sources we relied on include U.S. Department of Defense documentation obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and Polygraph, the quarterly journal of the American Polygraph Association. George W. Maschke AntiPolygraph.org I swear, you guys are a bunch of pot smoking hippies! Listen, I said I didn't want this particular discussion to be full of this nonsence because I knew you wacko's would try to vomit your useless information on me. I am already aware of your side of the whole argument, and that isn't even the point of this whole discussion. Why don't you go lobby to law makers to get this thing illegalized, rather than boring us with your CRAP that no one cares about. Wheather or not I think I should have to take the polygraph test is irrelivant. The fact is, if I want this job, I have to take it and be honest. I don't care what your argument is because I plan on doing the right thing and telling the truth. And as long as I do that, I will be fine. And I won't care if the polygraph is a "tool of witchcraft" or not. And I don't care if its results are not submissable in court. And I don't care about you cluttering up this discussion with anti-polygraph crap when I am simply seeking advise. I am insulted that you would try to push your views on me. If I want to read about your anti-polygraph stuff, I will go to google.com and type in anti-polygraph. Until then, don't continue to clutter my question up with your nonsence! Thanks! |
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Post by George Maschke on Apr 18, 2003 14:27:55 GMT -5
John Mays, You write: Actually, I have never smoked marijuana or used any other illegal drug. (However, this did not protect me from being falsely accused of deception in this regard during an FBI pre-employment polygraph examination.) AntiPolygraph.org, is in fact, seeking the abolishment of polygraph screening in the United States through passage of a Comprehensive Employee Polygraph Protection Act that would extend the protections of the 1988 Employee Polygraph Protection Act to all Americans. I do not dispute that if you want the job, you'll have to take the "test." I was not suggesting that you refuse. Nor was I suggesting that you answer any relevant questions untruthfully. It would behoove you to understand in advance that polygraph "testing" is actually dependant on the hidden assumption that your answers to certain questions, called "control" questions, will be less than truthful. Perversely, the more honestly one answers the "control" questions, and as a consequence experiences less stress when answering them, the more likely one is to fail. Like you, I once thought that if I just went in and told the truth, all would be fine. For some, that is the case. But many truthful law enforcement applicants are falsely branded as liars by the polygraph. There are, however, ways to reduce the risk of a false positive outcome (explained in Chapter 4 of The Lie Behind the Lie Detector).I don't wish to "push" any views on you. Nor do I want you to uncritically accept anything that I have said or written. But I (and others) have assembled a great deal of factual information about polygraphy that should be of interest, whether you agree with us or not on the wisdom of law enforcement agencies relying on the polygraph. John, in your first post, you asked if anyone "who has taken the polygraph could shed some light on what type of things [you] need to be aware of..." I and others involved in AntiPolygraph.org have, in fact, taken the polygraph, and we have assembled precisely the kind of information that we believe you need to be aware of. I wish you all the best. |
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Post by jmays on Apr 18, 2003 18:52:01 GMT -5
Yeah, but you see, I specifically said I didn't want you idiots chiming in pushing, or even sharing your views with me. Because like I said, I have already heard your side of the argument, and I have read the websites. THATS WHAT I SAID. And you freakin continue to keep going on! This is exactly what I freakin wanted to prevent, but you being a complete and total freakin idiot, you continued to post your idiotic views anyway. Why are people so freaking stupid?!?
You had to be thinking: "He said he already read about the anti-polygraph argument, and he said he didn't want me to express those views again, but what the hell? I'll post anyway!" Idiot!
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Post by George Maschke on Apr 19, 2003 0:36:13 GMT -5
Actually, John, the replies I have posted have been as much for the benefit of others who may read this message thread as for you.
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Post by Fellow on Apr 19, 2003 1:52:30 GMT -5
and anyone who wanted to be an officer would know that the best way to deal with someone you're not interested in talking to (the mystery antipoly guy) is to ignore him.
i could care less either way, but seeing you antagonize him makes me wonder...
are you going to vent like that on future suspects in custody?
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