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Post by Boyscout on Feb 21, 2004 12:50:12 GMT -5
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I am not sure what you mean by tricks. There are no tricks. If one is honest from the begining, then there are no worries. That is what I did. If I stated that 6 times smoking pot, and actually it was say like 20 or so. Yeah I would of been dishonest and failed. But 6 times was the truth. Just be honest on the personal disclosure form.
I can recall 4 times for sure. So I went with the number 6, because I know for sure that it wasn't higher than that. I was honest and comfortable saying that. Why, because its the truth.
My poly went smoothly, no tricks, just the truth.
Now I am waiting for the background checks to be completed. Then the call.......
If you have seen the drivers in Calgary, wow, 20 tickets a month should be no problem...lol
Boyscout
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Post by guest on Feb 21, 2004 15:13:27 GMT -5
Not trying to dis you or anything but if you had any inclination as to the way some polys are undertaken you would understand where I was coming from. Also you would have to have some knowledge as to how a poly actually works. Sorry but they can't detect lies and thinking that if you tell the absolute truth you pass is nieve and scary. If you had "helped" your buddy polygrapher out by clearing your conscience and said you did drugs 10 time you would have failed. End of story. It is refered to as a fabricated or falsified confession. You didn't fall for it. You passed. I did fall for it. I didn't. Good luck.
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Post by RJB2004 on Feb 21, 2004 15:40:12 GMT -5
A constable in Alberta cannot ticket a constable. Therefore, if the RCMP wished to ticket a CPS officer, he or she would have to collect the info, and have a corporal or higher place the charge. This is from speeding to anything. If the speeder was say an inspector, the constable would have to find someone higher than the rank of inspector to issue the ticket. That is one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. I have known several Cst's get tickets from other Cst's.. even RCMP to RCMP.. even after ID'ing themselves as Police. A CPS Sgt. got a speeding ticket from an RCMP Cst for doing 40 over the limit on the highway. Where ever you get this information from I suggest you stop. |
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Post by DaveB on Feb 21, 2004 15:51:10 GMT -5
...snip... If you had "helped" your buddy polygrapher out by clearing your conscience and said you did drugs 10 time you would have failed. End of story. ...snip... If you said 6 on your disclosure form then admitted to 10 in the poly you should fail. You where not honest on your disclosure. How many times do they have to tell you to not try to hide anything and tell the whole truth? Waiting till the poly to admit the whole truth is just asking for trouble! |
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Post by Ds Wife on Feb 21, 2004 17:01:25 GMT -5
Not trying to dis you or anything but if you had any inclination as to the way some polys are undertaken you would understand where I was coming from. Also you would have to have some knowledge as to how a poly actually works. Sorry but they can't detect lies and thinking that if you tell the absolute truth you pass is nieve and scary. If you had "helped" your buddy polygrapher out by clearing your conscience and said you did drugs 10 time you would have failed. End of story. It is refered to as a fabricated or falsified confession. You didn't fall for it. You passed. I did fall for it. I didn't. Good luck. Okay, I'm confused as to how agreeing to "admit" to something that honestly never happened would "clear your conscience". On the contrary, you would be lying about the confession and would be burdening your conscience with the lie. I don't mean to come off as uncaring or unsympathetic but really, who would fall for that?  If it wasn't the truth why would you confess to it? If someone, polygrapher or not, asked to me "clear my conscience" and just say that I was the one murdering downtown street workers that would be absurd and certainly wouldn't clear my conscience anymore than agreeing to anything that I HONESTLY had not done. I just don't get the thought pattern. It may be naive and "scary" but honesty is always the best policy, even on the poly, IMHO. Thanks for letting me rant a moment, D's Wife |
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Post by Boyscout on Feb 21, 2004 18:35:39 GMT -5
Not trying to dis you or anything but if you had any inclination as to the way some polys are undertaken you would understand where I was coming from. Also you would have to have some knowledge as to how a poly actually works. Sorry but they can't detect lies and thinking that if you tell the absolute truth you pass is nieve and scary. If you had "helped" your buddy polygrapher out by clearing your conscience and said you did drugs 10 time you would have failed. End of story. It is refered to as a fabricated or falsified confession. You didn't fall for it. You passed. I did fall for it. I didn't. Good luck. Well, the best way to pass the poly is to tell the truth. Starting by telling the truth on the personal disclosure form. When I stated 6 times. I meant at the most 6 times, no more. Not 7, not 10, not 15, but 6. My pot smoking was done almost 20 years ago. I tried it up to 6 times, no more than that. I never tried anything else. Just pot. end of story. I know how the poly works.....the best way to pass is the truth. Its easy that way. If you are afraid to tell the truth, well, then thats what it is for. Now I take it that you find it absurd to believe that, oh well you can believe in what you believe in. If it was a falsified confession, then I really don't know what to say to that. Boyscout |
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Post by Devlin on Feb 23, 2004 15:46:56 GMT -5
For those of you who've applied to CPS, how long did it take to hear from CPS after submitting your package? I mailed mine in 3 weeks ago and haven't heard anything and the cheque hasn't cleared yet either. I realize that's not very long really, just curious.
thanks
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Post by Boyscout on Feb 23, 2004 19:58:23 GMT -5
Is there anyone out there who is in training with Calgary or recently graduated. Would like to hear from you. Just to get some insight.
Thanks
Boyscout
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Post by journey2cps-redux on Feb 24, 2004 10:36:26 GMT -5
For those of you who've applied to CPS, how long did it take to hear from CPS after submitting your package? I mailed mine in 3 weeks ago and haven't heard anything and the cheque hasn't cleared yet either. I realize that's not very long really, just curious. thanks Hey Devlin, welcome to the group. When I submitted my app (Oct 24th) it took about a week to get the first call to go over the PDF, but they might not do this anymore, since they have the pre-screening interview now. I then got my letter for testing about a week after that, and then I wrote on the 15th of Nov. Got my results the 15th of Dec, did my pre-screening the 7th of Jan and I'm currently waiting for my panel. As I recall it took about 4 or 5 weeks before the cheque cleared, keep in mind that they don't cash the cheque unless you will be writing the exams. So if the cheque goes through before you hear from them expect a call. Good luck and hang in there and have patience... ;D |
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Post by guest on Feb 24, 2004 10:58:35 GMT -5
In regards to my poly I was way too young, too eager to please and too nieve. I was in my early 20's.
You would have to have been there to understand the context in which it was asked that I clear my conscience. It was manipulative and not as clear cut as people here would like to believe.
I have to question your knowledge regarding the poly. It is pretty well known that applicants that tell the truth (during comparison/irrelevant questions) are actually predisposed to failing the poly. The polygrapher expects applicants to lie during irrelevant questions so they have a baseline response to gage against when they ask the relevant questions. If one is completely truthful during the comparison/irrelevant questions they are more likely to spike a response during the relevant questions and be labelled deceptive.
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Post by RJB2004 on Feb 24, 2004 12:45:56 GMT -5
In regards to my poly I was way too young, too eager to please and too nieve. I was in my early 20's. You would have to have been there to understand the context in which it was asked that I clear my conscience. It was manipulative and not as clear cut as people here would like to believe. I have to question your knowledge regarding the poly. It is pretty well known that applicants that tell the truth (during comparison/irrelevant questions) are actually predisposed to failing the poly. The polygrapher expects applicants to lie during irrelevant questions so they have a baseline response to gage against when they ask the relevant questions. If one is completely truthful during the comparison/irrelevant questions they are more likely to spike a response during the relevant questions and be labelled deceptive. You say that Boyscout doesn't have a good knowledge of the poly? He passed it and you didn't. I'd say I trust his word over yours. Even so, he doesn't have to worry about knowing anything about it.. it's done and over with. |
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Post by guest on Feb 24, 2004 12:58:57 GMT -5
Point taken but I wouldn't put all your egss into one basket. The polygrapher tells everyone that they pass. You don't know if you passed until you get that phone call telling you you have been selected for a class. If you don't pass or get selected they will never telll you the real reason anyways.
In regards to taking someones word over anothers just because they "passed" and I didn't is probably not the most intelligent way of looking at things. But if that helps you in your process so be it. Good luck. I think everyone here should be taking what everyone else writes here with a grain of salt. Yes including myself.
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Post by MALAKA on Feb 24, 2004 15:11:13 GMT -5
I agree to a point as well. Now directly from the horse's mouth. A certain female constable in recruiting said this to an entire group of potential applicants. "The polygrapher may say that you did fine on the examination, but this does not necessarily mean you have passed the polygraph." She emphasized this. I know of one individual who made it all the way to the selection committee, his file manager was very confident that he would be among the selected. He received a letter saying that he was not selected and was invited to reapply in two years time. As to what he was not qualifed for, he has no idea, and was not indicated of what areas he may lack in or even areas that perhaps he could improve in. He has now gone to apply with the RCMP and the last time I spoke with him he was going to inquire directly to the chief, and would just like an indepth explaination.
This is just my two cents, but I get all sorts of information. I like to hear all kinds of experiences and situations, you can sometimes learn from people that are successful and also from people who are unsuccessful. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
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Post by Ontariointerested on Feb 25, 2004 23:13:13 GMT -5
Hey everyone. From Ontario and was curious about the CPS. I know about the PARE which is very similar to the PREP in Ontario. Both tests are not that bad. However, I was wondering if anyone can tell me some info on the APCAT. Is there info out there, will studying some American prep exams help? What is on it, spelling, grammar, math and any folding bending of shapes (2D to 3D on paper)? Would appreciate the generous info and good luck to everyone.
Thanx
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Post by journey2cps-redux on Feb 26, 2004 11:32:44 GMT -5
Dear Interested In Ontario... ;D APCAT is your standard LE apptitude exam. Any of the books avaliable for studying (Barron's for example) will help you with most of the questions, however unlike american exams there are no questions about proceedures, or what would you do situations. Is just the standard memory, math, vocab, logic, problemsolving, etc. I don't remember doing any spacial problems, but there was logic ones. (whats next in the pattern type questions) If you want a sample go to the CPS site. They have a practice test for both the APCAT and WCT. Good luck, and let us know if you have other questions.  |
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If it wasn't the truth why would you confess to it? If someone, polygrapher or not, asked to me "clear my conscience" and just say that I was the one murdering downtown street workers that would be absurd and certainly wouldn't clear my conscience anymore than agreeing to anything that I HONESTLY had not done. I just don't get the thought pattern. It may be naive and "scary" but honesty is always the best policy, even on the poly, IMHO.
