RCMP

[RJB2004]

rebel2232 said:

Does anyone know how the RCMP arrives at the final score for the RPAT?

The judgement questions are worth 2 each and all other questions are worth 1 each. That's what I know about the RPAT marking.

[rebel2232]

I know that the judgement questions are worth 2 marks, but even doubling the judgement score and taking an average it still doesn't make sence.

Oh well....thx guys for replying

Reb

[guest]

Judging by how the RCMP loves to use discrimination in their hiring it would not suprize me one bit if they do factor in some race and/or gender fudge factor on top of their step ladder approach to the RPAT passing score required for certain races and sexes.

[Jag]

Guest,

We sound a little bitter, what happened?

Jag

[guest]

Nothing in particular. I was just stating the fact that the RCMP allows visible minorities and women to obtain lower marks on their RPAT, than white males. Plain and simple discrimination. That sort of "unofficial" policy is an insult to every applicant involved. All the RCMP is doing is cratering to public pressure and political correctness.

I laugh everytime I read their web page.

"The Government of Canada recognises cultural diversity as a fundamental characteristic of Canadian society and, as a federal institution, the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) is committed to providing effective police services that are appropriate, sensitive and equally responsive to all segments of Canada's diverse society.

The RCMP is committed to policies and practices which reflect all laws, regulations and government commitments confirming and dealing with diversity and including all laws prohibiting discrimination on any grounds as defined by the Canadian Human Rights Act.

The RCMP is committed to a membership which is representative of Canadian society and to promoting and supporting equity within its employment practices".

LOL Yet they blatently condone and practice hypocracy when they implement the scaled marking of their RPAT.

[RJB2004]

Guest-guest said:

Judging by how the RCMP loves to use discrimination in their hiring it would not suprize me one bit if they do factor in some race and/or gender fudge factor on top of their step ladder approach to the RPAT passing score required for certain races and sexes.

The RPAT passing score is higher for white males because there are simply a large number that apply.

Let's say 1500 people pass the RPAT (3.2) with 'K' Division this bloc. 1300 white males, 200 minorities. Now recruiting has to send 1500 application packages and conduct 1500 interviews. That is 4 interviews a day, 7 days a week to process all of those applicants!!

So now, because so many white people apply, the RCMPy had to do something to reduce the field. So now a white male has to score let's say a 4. Above 1300 males received higher than a 3.2 on the RPAT, but with the cutoff now being a 4, only 500 white males scored higher. So now 1500 is cut to 700. If you thought the process was slow now, imagine if they had to process applications for everyone who got 3.2.

"But why do minorities get a break???"
Well they don't. If there were more minorities applying than white males, then minorities would have to score higher than a 3.2.
The RCMP are not lowing the standard for minorities, the standard is 3.2.. but because so many darned white males apply to the RCMP, they must obtain a very good score so the shear volume of applicants can be reduced to a manageable size.

I am a white male applicant in 'K' Division, thank you.

[guest]

I beg to differ. The RCMP clearly states that they are trying to reflect the population diversity and demographics of canada within their ranks. I.E. If Canada's population breakdown is 60% white males, 20% females and 20% visible minorities for example, the RCMP want 60% white males, 20% females and 20% visible minorities in their ranks. They are not lowering RPAT passing requirements for women and minorities because they have too many applications from white males to process. They are lowering them to get more women and minorities into Depot so they can even their ranks with the "cultural diversity" of the Canadian population. There are too many white males in the force and their ranks don't currently match the Canadian population.

If they had too many applications to process yet they wanted to maintain "employment equity" would they not just raise the pass mark for the RPAT irregardless of race or sex? They did that and not enough women and visible minorities were passing for them to fill the quotas as set by the federal government.

Minorities and women are "getting a break". They need a lower mark than white males to pass the RPAT. How could anyone read that "unofficial" policy as any different.

[dalex]

Hey guys,
Welcome to the new people on board. For those of you that have been following along you may remember that last week I found out that my eyesight did not meet the minimum uncorrected requirements. Well, I had my laser surgery yesterday, and I went in to the doctor today for my follow up exam. Before the surgery, my vision was 20/100 meaning that what I could see from 20 feet, someone with 20/20 vision could see from100 feet. Today, less than 24 hours since the surgery, my vision tested better than 20/20, it is actually 20/15 !I am amazed with the results and I encourage anyone out there that is considering laser surgery to have it done. It is more scary to think about it than to do it ! If your goal is the RCMP, don't let your vision be the obstacle that keeps you out.

[Cab]

RJB2003 and Guest....you both make a good debate. I can see reason on both your arguments. This is what forums are for....hearing new ideas, perspectives, personal stories. I think another point to be included in the debate is the First Nations factor. Having lived in communities where First Nations people are the majority race, it is always quite interesting to see that the RCMP there is non-native (for the most part). If you look at the social, educational, and other historical (and non-historical) factors of reserve life, you will see that post-secondary education (which doesn't just include financial access, but family support, cultural change, moving to a larger center, quality of high school education, etc) is not as accessable or not as socially encouraged as it would be in, say, Vancouver with it's amny universities and colleges. Can you imagine the stress of a youth living in Rankin Inlet or Fort Good Hope (yea, get out the map, you might be going there) leaving family and going to a city type culture.

So my point is that members of these First Nations communities may not have the same standard of education as those living within 100km of the 49th parallel. This is not a question or comment on who is the smartest. Smarts are measured on a cultral scale (a city person with a Masters degree in Arts would most likely look quite stupid managing the ways of life in the Arctic for the first time). It is more of a comment on family values, culture diferences, and what the community values as imporatant. There are many community involved, honest, intelegent people in Rankin Inlet and other First Nations communities that may not do as well on the RPAT because they had no need to or no instruction on the excessive vocabulary in the RPAT or the fine detail of the grammer of the english language...specifically when your family's first language is not english or french, but one of the many First Nations languages.

Have I got to my point yet? As the RCMP has many first nations communities that it polices, it is very important that they recruit First Nations people. Competing with thousands of university student, people that had the opportunity to work in various businesses and environments that a larger center has to offer, volunteer with the vast aray of organizations in larger centers... a person that is active in their small northern community may not have the same resume.

Just a thought on the "discrimination" issue. Those of you that know 'older' Mounties might know about the height (and other) requirements the RCMP had in the 70's and before. The complaint back then was that they go rid of those requirements to get more women in policing.....I think we can all agree that women are a great asset to policing....and we could probably all agree that those cops that are 5'3" or so are as good as the cops that are 6'2".....it is brains not brawn that will solve crime and policing issues. (Now don't interpret that last sentance in to high RPAT scores mean you are the best cop).

Anyways, I could go on forever writing. Just some points, diversity in hiring is a much broader topic with so many avenues to debate.

As for the RPAT final score compared to the averages listed, I tried to punch those numbers many ways and can not figure for the life of me how they are calculated.

[RJB2004]

My side is also the side of the RCMP.

The RPAT scoring was brought up at my summer student training and was then explained by our Cpl's and by 'K' Div recruiting.

I have no problem with the scoring. The only people who do not like it are those who do poorly on the RPAT. And if you don't make the cut for a white male to get into the RCMP then I suggest looking into a new line of work.

"The RCMP clearly states that they are trying to reflect the population diversity and demographics of canada"

Yes you are correct.

"If they had too many applications to process yet they wanted to maintain "employment equity" would they not just raise the pass mark for the RPAT irregardless of race or sex? They did that and not enough women and visible minorities were passing for them to fill the quotas as set by the federal government. "

I sense you did not receive an application package.
Better luck next time.

[Dragon]

Hello all,
Quite the debate going on here But I can see the RCMP side of it. Hey Dalex, awesome news about your eyesight ;D ;D I'm glad that everything went well for you. I would do the same to follow my dream, a person can't just give up that easily in life or we would never reach or goals. Whats life without troubles, we should try or best to learn from them and not get hung up on them. I believe that ALL things happen for a reason whether its good or bad at the time.

Tim

[Cab]

Just re-read my last post and noticed all those lovely spelling errors....I swear it is my typing and not my vocab skills. If the RPAT score breakdown made sense, I could find out my vocab aptitude. ;D

Further to this discussion, as a white male, I do think the RCMP is going the right direction with recruiting minorities.

[ace13]

Wow,

This site is busy!!!

Dalex, where did you get your eye surgery done?? I am contemplating having mine fixed because my eyes are tired of taking the abuse of contacts.

As well, how long did it take you to get back to your normal vision or your now better than normal vision?

Good luck to all!
Have faith!
Ace13

[YC]

Ace13,

I wasn't that lucky,I am still in the healing process even after a month of my surgery.After all that I have been through,I think it really doesn't matter who is your surgeon,but it really depends on your luck.Most of my friend who did this,their vision was perfect after that.

My experience is,I need a 2nd touch up and it didn't guarantee I will have 20/20 after that.A bit worried but no choice.There is no way back.

Not to scared you but you really have to think about it.
I am having regression now,who knows what might happen.

Good luck~

[Jag]

dalex

Congratulation on your eyesight! That is just simply fantastic.

Jag