RCMP

[Goose]

Good point therecruit1

MPOV...you say the hiring system is 'corrupt' because the poly is not scientific......hate to inform you, but the interviews, tests, and all that other stuff isn't scientific. I haven't seen the scientific studies to show that recruiters for police organizations can pick the perfect recruits...it is a subjective process being done the best the can be done by imperfect humans.

Now I DO AGREE with you that the poly shouldn't be the be all end all. It should only be a tool to help steer the background investigator into areas that might need more attention.

OK lets vote....who wants to return to RCMP recruiting posts and put to rest the poly and CSP...CFD posts......until some rcmp applicants actually DO DO the poly....then we can bark and scream back and forth.

[Goose]

Sorry to break my own rule....but I just had to say that you are RIGHT MPOV.....the CFD security questions are same as the CPS. I did my homework...late....but did it. Next time I will pre-research my 'facts' when I try to debate you. I have a feeling you and I will become good friends on this forum.

[SAD]

This Thread doesnt seem to be about RCMP anymore. Where have all the good times gone... You can create other treads but lets keep this one, RCMP

Veteran of the site!

[Cab]

Keep that happy face "SAD"....I'll talk rcmp.

Just a note to those in the process, if you write a volunteer job, a place you lived, an old old job from 10 years ago, or whatever in your application package down, I have a hint for you:

Keep records of it.....find out who your old landlord was, keep records of phone bills/rent cheques from that address you lived at for half a year way back in the 90's (too late now probably)....or that letter of acceptance or recognition for a volunteer job.

Why you ask....well during the BI, when your investigator tries to look these up she/he will call to ask you for more info cause they are having trouble confirming something. It will just speed up the BI.

Just some advice.....to keep the "happy times" rolling on the "rcmp" thread.

[YYC]

MPOV: Thank you for switiching to a name other than guest. I am sure it is appreciated by all. I hope you would agree that those with more assets take more time to arrange them. Surley if we have waited THIS long for the RCMP process, and they are willing to wait a month or two, good judgment would dictate taking the time to arrange your financial affairs AFTER you sign on the dotted line. Simply put - I didnt sign the dotted line for my house until I had secured and signed the mortgage papers. Know what I mean? On another note, I work daily with what you believe is the scum of the earth. I, like so many others, are exposed to "them" through our employment. However, they are people, in need of a hand up, our assistance, and good faith excepting some circustances of course. But for the most part, these people are victims or a society we will soon be building a thick blue line against. Count ourselves fortunate that we go home to a warm bed, clean clothes and will never go hungry. For the 8-10-12 or so hours we spend with "the scum", well, they deserve our respect, compasion and dignity that should be afforded to all we encounter in our career until such time as it may be necessary to perform the roll of a police officer in violent or abusive situations, which no doubt in deed would be lessended by the removal of the term scum of the earth and the like.

[MPOV]

An intreresting story out of the States. This was the sort of thing I was referring to earlier about getting in and trying to exact change in the RCMP hiring policies. Apparently a few people did it from the outside. A shame it had to go to court to occur though. The best person for the job should be the norm.

story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=14&u=/ap/20030826/ap_on_re_us/firefighter_hiring_1

Yes I like to stir the pot a bit and provoke exchange but I think it is healthy.

More stirring to come.

[Jag]

MVOP,

Nice to see that you have registered.

I was wondering, if you are so passionate about the issue why don't you take the RCMP to court. Maybe you could correct the imbalance that might be occurring here in Canada.

Next, you could bring up the issue of panel interview and then you could work on the issue of lie detector.

As you can appreciate, judgement in the USA is not going to change a single thing here.

Just pray that it does not take us back to the being of the century or better yet.....RCMP as an employer doesn't have to walk on glass when it comes to all issue.


Jag

[Jag]

MPOV said:

Yes I like to stir the pot a bit and provoke exchange but I think it is healthy.

More stirring to come.

Are you sure that you like to stir the pot or you just like to brew a little bit of negativity.

Jag

[MPOV]

I try to avoid negativity as much as possible but am having a tough time getting over my defferal. It has been about 9 months now. Slowly getting on with my life.

I would love to do something about it but have reservations that it would be like trying to move the Great Wall of China.

The police are above the law. They are exempt from many of the labor laws and most of the FIOP act. They can ask whatever they want during interviews and deny or "lose" any piece of info you may require to aid your fight. One of the worst things regarding their hiring practices is that they can obtain and use peoples opinions about applicants as a reason for defferal.

I don't have the time or money to get a lawyer. I also think trying to fight my defferal would consume me mentally and I have a job to worry about and a mortgage to pay. I figure the best I can do for now is to tell my story on boards like this. Maybe one of you here will be lucky enough to get into recruiting one day and rememeber that moron on cops2be and think of ways to make the system fairer and more efficient?

[BCRCMP wanabee]

MPOV,

as u say, we should learn from your mistakes...could you let us know, with a little detail, what these mistakes were? at what point did u get deffered? try not to be too disgruntled with your side of the story.

in some ways i can empathize (RMSIG!) with getting deffered. after 18 months of time, $$$ and effort having it all fall apart would be a hurt that would not be easy to shun. it is a fine line of being confident and realistic.

[therecruit1]

MPOV, correct me if I'm wrong but do you also have a problem with background investigators contacting people from your past and using that info in their decision?

"One of the worst things regarding their hiring practices is that they can obtain and use peoples opinions about applicants as a reason for deferral"

Apparently because you were deferred nothing about the recruiting process is right, you have a problem with the interviews, poly, and now the BI investigation. You sound like a whining kid who failed something at school and blames everyone but yourself.
You were deferred...get over it!
There have been several people on this board that have been deferred recently and have taken it like an adult and have decided on what they need to do to improve for next time. If your deferral nine months ago is so traumatic for you why do you keep putting yourself through the torture of coming on a COPS2be web site?

Try not to ruin this thread for the applicants who come here for support. "Stir the pot" on a different thread.

[journey2cps-redux]

DaveTO said:

First of all, anything that someone posts under the name "guest" or some other non-registered name I really can't take seriously. Spend 5 minutes, get a hotmail account, and create a username.

Next, if I saw my partner drinking and driving, you better believe that we'd be in the inspector's office the next day trying to come up with a way for my partner to deal with his drinking problem while keeping his job. I think among all of your diatribe against the recruitment process, you missed that the RCMP wants ETHICAL cadets. Ignoring that your partner is breaking the law puts your ass on the line, and it is the wrong thing to do in our profession.

I know this is an old post, but I'm finally finding some time after my holidays and acceptance of my 11 month deferal....

I have yet to meet an officer (RCMP or Municipal) that has charged a fellow cop for DUI. I do however know a few that have either let a cop go or driven him/her home when they are stopped for DUI. Should this be allowed? no. Will this practice ever stop? very unlikely...

Ok, back to the posts....

[journey2cps-redux]

macguy9 said:

Well, I passed the security interview, and I have a mortage, visa bill, and car lease. I'm assuming that if you're in the same boat, you have nothing to worry about on the financial front.

Macguy and Mountie2be

Just an FYI, I also passed my RMSIG and security interviews. It wasn't until the info went to the security unit that I was informed I would have to reapply next July.

Also in regards to the debt load thing...more for married people...If the interviewer thinks that your spouse will not be able to handle the debt load with you "unemployeed" for 6 months then you will be asked to fix this before you can continue. Sometimes that just means you take a 6 month time out of the process, sometimes it means try again in 2 years. It all depends on the situation and the interviewer/security unit's POV.

Back to the posts... ;D

[journey2cps-redux]

woo...finally made it through all the posts...

Congrats to those who have made it past signifigant points in the process (mac guy, etc...can't rememeber more right now )

MPOV, like therecruit said above. Take some time off from anything police related. I have not looked at this site in more than a month. I tried a couple of times but it just made me feel worse and more bitter about my "deferal". Trust me it helps put things back into perspective.

Just a note on my "defferal" and I put it in quotes for this reason...when I recieved my call I was told I could re-apply July 2nd 2004, (2 years since discharge from bankruptcy) However, then RCMP never does less than 2 years for ANY defferal...I thought maybe the person in Edmonton was mistaken, or I mis-understood. So I called them back and he confirmed that yes it was only 11 months and I could re-apply, and he never once reffered to it as a defferal...I'm taking that as a good sign though.
In the meantime however, I recently heard back from Calgary recruiting, and the bankruptcy will not be an issue with them, unless it's between me and some else that hasn't had that problem, competing for a spot...So I am currently filling out the forms for CPS, and scheduling another PARE test. Last I heard, CPS is running 90 days, yes 90 DAYS, from application to training. If things go well, said that before , I could have been an officer with CPS for 6 months before I would even be eligible to re-apply to RCMP. ONce all my stuff is in for CPS I'll move this municipal talk over to a new thread...

Good luck to everyone, and don't give up no matter how discouraging it may feel.

J2D

(Guess I should change my posting name... ;D)

[mountie2be]

J2D
Good to hear from you. Thanks for your comments on my question. Sorry to hear of your deferal, but glad to see you bouncing back and still contributing to this thread in a positive manner. Hope your holidays were fulfilling.
As far as my debt load question...I was just not sure how they considered debt in the scheme of things... it certainly makes sense what you have said.
What is your game plan from this point?
Mountie2be