RCMP

[RCMPhereicome]

I remember a few years back I spoke to a couple of Constables from the North Van detachment and I had told them about the fact that i've been in the army reserves for four years and my plans of applying to the RCMP down the road. I recall them telling me that my military service will "Transfer Over" since they are both Federal occupations. What does that mean????Does this mean I'll skip a few steps as far as rank promotion competitions, pay ...etc ...come up ...

[Impy]

I think that they are referring to the pension system... I remember seeing that somewhere.

[RJB2004]

RCMPhereicome said:

I remember a few years back I spoke to a couple of Constables from the North Van detachment and I had told them about the fact that i've been in the army reserves for four years and my plans of applying to the RCMP down the road. I recall them telling me that my military service will "Transfer Over" since they are both Federal occupations. What does that mean????Does this mean I'll skip a few steps as far as rank promotion competitions, pay ...etc ...come up ...

Yeah, it is only for pension.

[RCMPhereicome]

oh...

[BCRCMP wanabee]

rcmphereicome,

i am in the reserves too. i was told that our time in is not transferable when we are class b or c. if u did a tour u may be able to use that time if they took pesion $$$ off you paycheques, otherwise no such luck. what regiment are u with?

[FederalEmployeeeeee]

If you are in the reserves you can buy back (for your pention) any time served if you move to another federal job, i.e. the RCMP. There is a formula in use which dictates how much your time served is worth. Any C, B annotated A, and B class time is bought back day for day. A class reserve time works out to be approx 1 quarter of time served, so if you work 4 days A class you will be credited with one day pentionable time with your new federal job. I have been through this process, but my advice to anyone here is not take the word of people on a chat board. ..... go to the Treasury Board site with ref to pentions or go see your friendly RMS clerks in your Orderly Room and ask for the CFAO's in ref to pensions. Or wait until you actually get into the RCMP before you worry about it.

[Cab]

Jag...I just read your timeline on the other tread...my god are they ever dragging you around. Were the new "Stall" instructions any help on the 'test'?

Now the wait continues macguy...as as fellow "E" applicant it took them about three months to send my medical stuff and four months for my BI to start (from the last interview). Hopefully they will get to you quicker.

Good luck Jas....it's good to see someone from "E" finish the process

[Jag]

Cab,

Yes, it has been a little trying. The the new directions did help me answer the questions quickly. I did not over analyze the questions. However, I am still concern my answers might not have changed that much.

I am just hoping everything will work out. Jag

[Goose]

I was talking to a friend of mine who works as a Customs Inspector (full-time, not a student position). We were comparing training benefits, and I was stunned.

To be a Canada Customs Inspector you do a 8 weeks of full time training in Rigaud, Quebec. During this training you get your salary, you get room and board, you get TWO paid flights home for two weekends (for you or to send a spouse out to Rigaud to see you) and your flight paid at the beginning and end of training.

I guess that is what you get when you are getting paid by the Ministry of National Revenue....and not the Solicitor General of Canada. Too bad the SC isn't willing to spend a few million a year on making life easier for RCMP cadets....I guess they would rather pour a billion into a mismanaged gun reg. (Not that I disagree with the gun reg., it was just how they ran/run the progam that is amazing)

[YYC from Calgary]

Hi All:

Wow, it has taken some time to read all the posts after returning from vacation. Jas, Macguy, congrats!!!!

So, I am reading some stuff, in particular from our deferred guest, about cashing in RRSP's, selling your house, car, etc...

Well, I am in the BI and medical clearing stage, and my house is not for sale. My car is in the driveway. I'm still saving for retirement, and the like.

Like thousands before me, and thousands afterwards, I will have to deal with these issues. Since I got the package I have been making room on the visa for depot. I'll have to rent out the house, relocate the wife, etc... etc... yah yah yah... Point being, my "glass RCMP house" can have all the stones thrown at it and it wont even chip.

I spoke with the recruiter and asked what kind of a timeline from "the call" to Regina and he said from two days to two weeks to two months. So, the SWM with no kids and just a car can pack and be gone in two days, I'll take about a month. NOTHING will get done until I have the honour of attending the local office to sign on the dotted line.

So, guest, you have once again shown poor judgement skills in preparing to leave before anyone told you to.

YYC

[guest]

"The Truth About Lie Detectors"
The Calgary Herald
Letters to the Editor
Sunday, August 24 2003
Page A8

Re: "polygraph given thumbs down", Aug 21

The polygraph is an unfortunate addition to the firefighters application this year.

Accountability is of great importance, but forcing people to take a lie detector seems to be an over-the-top method to achieve that goad. It transfers the responsibility of choosing the right people from the review board to one person and a machine.

Personal contact and panel judgements are far more revealing than knowing if a potential recruit stole a pack of gum from his or her last job. The self disclosure possibility punishes recruits who may have slipped up once or twice. These are the people who suffer the simple choices everyone faces.

Anyone applying to be a fire-fighter is more apt to be a risk taker and self disclosure forces good candidates to lie about their past or to eliminate themselves from the competition by telling the truth on a few minor questions. I feel the polygraph is a borderline violation of personal rights and should not be used for firefighter recruitment.

Signed,
Grant Hall
Calgary

[mikegee]

Being a So.Calif guy( thats Southern "north American" to you guys) I rarely get on this post, except to congrats the Canadian "2bes" that make it.A word of advice-many of you are preparing your lives for Law enforcement, but please keep a realistic view and expect "some" disappointments (.i.e the wait, lost files,pushy backgrounds investigators,moments of apprehension/self doubt) if this is WHAT YOU WANT, strive for it but keep your present responsibilities on track ( If you work at a burger joint,keep up the best grill work you can do).If you've prepared and meet the criteria, you'll GET the call!! (whether in Canada or the U.S> we've ALL been there before, so don't feel alone!) As far as the nay/doom sayers who critique the process,especially the Polygraph guess what, it's NOT going away!! if you don't pass and get deferred,look carefully into your own past and ask if you were really answering the questions the way you were supposed to! All this "conspiracy theory" and railling against supposed fraud of the system? If you think the System is corrupt, why work it? go find a lawyer and sue(I'm sure Canada has its own ACLU)Many on the cops2be site have touted polygraph sites that "inform" you on how the system is flawed and how you will be "cheated" but ask yourself this question-WHY DO SO MANY PASS THE POLY?!!!! most that complain (and I mean MOST) had other things going against them that they won't openly admit! (just met a guy who applied for my agency and got D'qed in the B.I. found out that he'd been seperately d'qed from SIX other area agencies!!!!).Remember that the process isn't catered to your needs, you must conform to the process.If things were really that "questionable" don't you think more people would have fought to change it?(WE are not all sheep).As always I commend all of you for your efforts and goals-study prepare and succeed!.....

[Goose]

Thanks Mikegee...good comment.

The Calgary Herald letter byGrant Hall if flawed. Is Grant saying that the lie detector will make people disclose information about past mistakes? Is that not the purpose of the polygraph? Grant's argument should be that he doesn't agree with the benchmark in honesty and past criminal activity that the fire dept has.

Also, fire dept do not ask the same questions like are asked at a police interview.

[MPOV]

YYC,

Good for you to be so financially secure that you don't have to liquidate anything before heading to Depot. Not everyone is in that boat. Most people live paycheck to paycheck. Consider yourself lucky to not be in the same boat as the rest of us.

As for preparing before getting the call, it was a lack in judgement that could only be seen with hindsite. I posted here in hopes that others might learn from my mistakes. Not to get slammed by you on your high, financially rock solid, horse. Getting into the RCMP was a lifelong dream of mine. I was told by recruiting that my application was complete and was awaiting the OK from Edmonton. I was told by my investogator here to prepare to go as everything from his end looked great. I did not want to look like I wasn't prepared when I got the call (that never came). Clearing up the money required for Depot takes time and I was not going to tell recruiting that I could not go because I didn't have the money. I was eager and was going to be able to leave on 24hrs notice. Most people in my financial position would have likely done the same. Must be nice to have the option to put the RCMP on hold until you get your affairs in order "after" your signing in. Maybe I wanted it a little more than you.

Goose,

Do a little homework. Surf the net and compare the personal disclosure form from the CPS to the Calgary Fire Dept. They identical. Where did you think the fire dept got theirs? Who do you think is going to do the fire depts poly's?

Grant is saying that it is flawed to put the applicants fate in the hand of one man and his magic black box. And it does border on violation of personal rights. If you have ever taken a poly you would know that the questions they ask you during your pre-test interview are illegal as per employment laws. Maybe the police are excluded from those laws and now the fire dept appears to be.

Mike,

The hiring system is "corrupt" because they use a system (the poly) that has no scientific basis whatsoever. They are relying on the poly to cut their BI short. The poly is flawed and there are also MANY stories of honest people being labelled deceptive whe they were not. You can tell you are a cop. You have the "they failed a poly so they must be guilty of something" attitude. "I have seen it before a million times". You work with the scum of society every day so you are looking through rose colored glasses. Your view of human beings and society are skewed based on what you encounter every day. Yes people do pass the poly, some dishonest people get caught and DQ'ed, and some honest people get labelled liars. To say it works just fine (conform poeple, it is not going anywhere) and that the honest people that get labelled deceptive are expendable for the greater good sounds like the basis that communism was founded on.

Get real. People that get in are not going to rock the boat. People that got shafted have no avenue to exact change as any calls or appeals to the police meet with an impenitrable stone wall. Once you are in, cops look after their own.

[therecruit1]

Maybe if CFD implemented the poly sooner that gem of a firefighter who was busted for running that prostution ring wouldn't have been hired. The panel interviewers sure did their job there.