Post by guest on Aug 11, 2003 11:45:05 GMT -5
Everyone here with the exception of "been there" and "another guest" have made some great points and arguements. I would bet the farm that "been there" and "another guest" are the same person posting form the same IP. The poly will get you, bring on the poly. Please. You reek of a recruiting officer or a polygrapher trying to maintain the mystique of the poly that "it works to detect lies, watch out". I hope that noone here is really that nieve so as to believe you.
I have to stick up for Rebel here. His story sounds alot like mine and I find it very hard to belive that I would not have made an exceptional officer.
Who here hasn't gone froshing during the first couple weeks of high school and tossed and egg or two? Who here doesn't know a friend, relative or co-worker that smokes pot? Who here can honestly say they have never stolen a fruit while stocking shelves or a burger while working as a cook when 16 at Dairy Queen?
In my eyes (maybe I am blind??) these are pretty minor rights of passage and learning experiences on this road called life. The person that can be honest enough to say they have done these sorts of things, learned from them and admit they were wrong is the type of person I would want to be policing me. Its called real life experience. Most normal human beings don't learn right and wrong from being told so. They learn by doing something wrong, getting in trouble for it (some sort of repremand with negative concequences) and learning not to do it again.
When it comes to the application process I think the investigators should be a little more thorough and take to heart what the people have to say about the applicant. Rebel did some stupid things when he was young. He admitted that and grew from those experiences. When everyone the RCMP interviewed (everone and anyone that has ever been associated with Rebel for the last 10 years!) told of how mature and upstanding a person he was why would they not take that with a little more credance than thinking "Oh oh he has done that 10 years ago so I think there is a high probabilty he will do that again". Goose you are right out to lunch if you think that people can't learn and grow from negative past experiences. It may have been who they were but is definately not always who they are now! I think the last 10 years of what Rebel has done in his life are a testiment to that. If you are the same person you were when you were 16 I want express my condolences. There is no way on Gods green earth that anyone can tell the truth of what an applicant is saying on their appliation or during their interview. Interviewing associates and checking to ensure no past detected criminal activity is the only sure fire proof. If an applicant is telling you things such as in Rebels case I would feel more sure that he told me everything. I would not be thinking that it was the tip of the iceberg and defer him. Someone with a crystal clean past who has not done or disclosed some of the things like Rebel addmitted to is the type of applicant I would be wary of. They are not normal and have no life experience as far as I am concerned.
As for the pot smoking, are you really trying to tell me that if your best friend smoked pot you would disown him because you are trying to become a cop? A relative? I take it that when you see someone smoking you immediately run and call 911. BS. A fellow cadet told you of their questionable past. You run and tell the trainers and get them kicked out? BS again. You become a cop, find your partner drinking and driving and take him right down to the station and charge him? BS again and again.
Maybe this is the type of person the RCMP are looking for? A stiff, pristene, green, nieve type that has never obtained any life experiences. Doesn't even know what pot smells like. One who can't read between the lines and only sees life in black and white. One who doesn't have a clue as to where the kids in town might be holding their weekend drinking party because they themselves have never been drunk. A robot that upholds the law to the letter and is not allowed to recall past life experiences of their own, realize that kids and people sometimes make stupid mistakes but can change for the better for them. A person that is going to charge everyone for any infraction of a law. Taking out the human equation and compassion in policing. "I have never thrown an egg when I was a kid, here is your charge of assault son. You are now screwed for life with a police record. Don't let it happen again".
If this is the type of person the RCMP are looking for then I am truely glad I was deferred. I would rather do what I do now, and live how I live now, than have no friends or family and have to associate with fellow robots the rest of my life trying to coral and police the scum of the earth. Always looking down at the rest of society thinking I am better and never being able to associate with or trust anyone except my cookie cutter clone fellow officers.
I have to stick up for Rebel here. His story sounds alot like mine and I find it very hard to belive that I would not have made an exceptional officer.
Who here hasn't gone froshing during the first couple weeks of high school and tossed and egg or two? Who here doesn't know a friend, relative or co-worker that smokes pot? Who here can honestly say they have never stolen a fruit while stocking shelves or a burger while working as a cook when 16 at Dairy Queen?
In my eyes (maybe I am blind??) these are pretty minor rights of passage and learning experiences on this road called life. The person that can be honest enough to say they have done these sorts of things, learned from them and admit they were wrong is the type of person I would want to be policing me. Its called real life experience. Most normal human beings don't learn right and wrong from being told so. They learn by doing something wrong, getting in trouble for it (some sort of repremand with negative concequences) and learning not to do it again.
When it comes to the application process I think the investigators should be a little more thorough and take to heart what the people have to say about the applicant. Rebel did some stupid things when he was young. He admitted that and grew from those experiences. When everyone the RCMP interviewed (everone and anyone that has ever been associated with Rebel for the last 10 years!) told of how mature and upstanding a person he was why would they not take that with a little more credance than thinking "Oh oh he has done that 10 years ago so I think there is a high probabilty he will do that again". Goose you are right out to lunch if you think that people can't learn and grow from negative past experiences. It may have been who they were but is definately not always who they are now! I think the last 10 years of what Rebel has done in his life are a testiment to that. If you are the same person you were when you were 16 I want express my condolences. There is no way on Gods green earth that anyone can tell the truth of what an applicant is saying on their appliation or during their interview. Interviewing associates and checking to ensure no past detected criminal activity is the only sure fire proof. If an applicant is telling you things such as in Rebels case I would feel more sure that he told me everything. I would not be thinking that it was the tip of the iceberg and defer him. Someone with a crystal clean past who has not done or disclosed some of the things like Rebel addmitted to is the type of applicant I would be wary of. They are not normal and have no life experience as far as I am concerned.
As for the pot smoking, are you really trying to tell me that if your best friend smoked pot you would disown him because you are trying to become a cop? A relative? I take it that when you see someone smoking you immediately run and call 911. BS. A fellow cadet told you of their questionable past. You run and tell the trainers and get them kicked out? BS again. You become a cop, find your partner drinking and driving and take him right down to the station and charge him? BS again and again.
Maybe this is the type of person the RCMP are looking for? A stiff, pristene, green, nieve type that has never obtained any life experiences. Doesn't even know what pot smells like. One who can't read between the lines and only sees life in black and white. One who doesn't have a clue as to where the kids in town might be holding their weekend drinking party because they themselves have never been drunk. A robot that upholds the law to the letter and is not allowed to recall past life experiences of their own, realize that kids and people sometimes make stupid mistakes but can change for the better for them. A person that is going to charge everyone for any infraction of a law. Taking out the human equation and compassion in policing. "I have never thrown an egg when I was a kid, here is your charge of assault son. You are now screwed for life with a police record. Don't let it happen again".
If this is the type of person the RCMP are looking for then I am truely glad I was deferred. I would rather do what I do now, and live how I live now, than have no friends or family and have to associate with fellow robots the rest of my life trying to coral and police the scum of the earth. Always looking down at the rest of society thinking I am better and never being able to associate with or trust anyone except my cookie cutter clone fellow officers.
