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[Rexina]

Hey! I don't think this qualifies as a "poly attack" on the thread!

At least not 'til George shows up....

~Rexina

[guest]

I'm back. Time to turn this back into a poly thread for a sec. If it is now part of the RCMP application process and you have to take it I would consider it in your best interest to do a little homework on it.

Passing a poly and having a succesful poly are the same. If you don't show deception and don't blurt out a disqualifying admission you should pass.

However, not showing deception is not guaranteed by walking in and "telling the truth". The basis of a typical pre-employment poly is that the polygrapher is expecting and counting on your to lie to him. He will corral you into lieing to small irrelevant questions like "Have you ever lied to an authority figure to get out of trouble?". He will make you think that if you have you will be disqualified from the process. The theory is that you will withhold instances where you might have lied in the past. When asked that question during the poly (control question I believe) your physiological response will be considered your response when you lie. When asked relevant questions like "Have you done any drugs that you haven't disclosed to me?" or "Have you had any illegal sexual contact with anyone in your past?" and your response is higher than when asked the control question you fail or are given the boots durin an interrogation. There are also many instances where you passed the poly but the polygrapher will chase a "hunch" and tell you you failed a certain question trying to elicit a confession. Many horror stories.

The poly will be a one stop shop. You either pass or fail. Continue or get disqualified. It is not a tool used to narrow BI's or enhance investigations in certain areas. It is a prop and excuse to interrogate the candidate. The decision to pass you through to the next stage will be in the hands of one man/woman (the polygrapher). The RCMP will consider his/her word as final.

[BCRCMP wanabee]

the evil poly has reared its head for as long as i have been in the application process. the most i have actually seen of it was when i was asked if i had a problem with taking a polygraph. i wrote my test 14 months ago and am just waiting for my final background check to be done. i should be off to depot in oct - nov. i would guess that if u have started the interview process already, u won't have to do the test. i have been told that van island will introduce it to all new recruits sometime this summer...which probably means by the end of this year. if u guys want a good website that will make u feel better about polygraphs, check out www.antipolygraph.org

[BCRCMP wanabee]

going over some of the previous pages, i found some more bad news for u.

10000+ write the RPAT each year
80% are white males

off the 1000 recruits selected
33% female
33% visible minority
33% white male

that is a ~1/25 chance for a white male
and a ~1/7 chance for females and minorities

sad but true for us white males.

[Rexina]

ok FINE I stand corrected. I didn't start the attack, but apparently I invited one!

Sorry everyone!

Sheesh......

~Rexina

[Maverick]

BCRCMP wannabe, where did you get those figures from?....just wondering. Thanks. Has your medical been cleared yet or have you done the med/psych/dental yet?

[BCRCMP wanabee]

numbers are from members, recruiting, rcmp site, other applicants, myself, etc. i have done all of my medical....just waiting to hear back

[guest]

I don't know why people here start getting their backs up when the poly is discussed??

If you don't have to take it consider yourself lucky, breath a sigh of relief and move on to the next post.

If you do have to take it study up on it. You wouldn't discard info and advice regarding interviews or medicals so why scoff at the poly. The poly stage, when implemented will be the most critical stage of your application. You will only be able to try it once. A deferal at the poly stage (ie. disqualifying admission, falsified confession, labelled deceptive on a revelant question or topic) will end your application right there and then and defer you for the rest of your life (not just the RCMP but all police forces). Deferals at any other stage are not as critical as you will be allowed to take them again.

If it is coming it will be the host of this thread. The horror stories will fly. If you want to be proactive, try reading some of the horror stories on the antipolygraph.org site that was mentioned a few posts ago. It will turn you green.

[macguy9]

No disrespect intended to anyone regarding the poly/anti-poly thing, but haven't we beaten this dead horse enough? It's starting to look like chunky salsa.

[Another guest]

BCRCMP wannabe,

Your figures for recruiting (whites, women, minorities) is out to lunch. Your various sources an not too accurate. The only reliable figure way to determine who the rcmp is hiring is to look a current grad classes from depot.

If you look at thoses classes, white males are almost always more than 50% of the make up. Some classes have around 70% white males.

The rcmp web site states they want to hire minorities and women, current rcmp members...new ones should have a good idea, older ones will probably give you their opinion based on hiring that took place in the late 80's (where there was practically a hiring freeze on WM), other applicants don't really know who the other 10000 applicants are...so they are basing their decision on the few people they see at the RPAT or PARE.

Lets not fear monger the white male into thinking they are at a disadvantage....becasue WE are not.

[YC]

white or black,we are all in red.people will only see one thing,he/she is an RCMP officer.

[BCRCMP wanabee]

where do u get your numbers?

my friend just graded in april.
9 were females
5 were non white males + 1 that did not grad
12 white males

80% of RPAT writers are white males according to the Vancouver recruiting office.

the "thirds" rule is from an aquantance that used to work in recruiting. although he is now retired...could be obsolete info.

white males are most definately at a "disadvantage". no one can deny that the first cut is based on race/sex. although every one can write the test, only the top scores from each race/sex pool are given packages.

i don't know the exact numbers for rcmp applicants and grads, however, my "numbers" are based on following the recruiting process in depth for the last 2 years.

[Another guest]

BCRCMP wanabee,
The troop you mention is just one of many, it would be more useful to look at the last 10 troops or so, and average them out....however, I don't want to dwell on this. My point is that over all, white males are not at a disadvantage. Like you said about the 80% white males writing the RPAT......it is not hurting anyone to put more minorities in the application pool if they only represent 20% of applicants but 50% of the Canadian population (or 40%, or 39%...not sure on the exact number in Canada).

Lets not argue....I'm too tired for that. Lets just agree that if you're a good candidate, regardless of sex, colour, etc., you will make it into the rcmp.

There is also some good debate quite a few pages back in this tread regarding this issue...some good points were made there on both sides of the debate.

On a friendly note, you say you are in the background investigation part of you process......how long did they say it would take? What province are you in?

[Another Guest]

duh....I suppose by your name, you're from BC

[BCRCMP wanabee]

flattery will get you everywhere. besides, i am all for increasing the number of minorities.

i am in bc on vancouver island. my back ground check just started this week. should be finished by the end of sept. i was told my file is 'average' for a timeline in bc.

where are u in the process? what province?