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Post by A on Dec 30, 2002 21:06:47 GMT -5
I just had to laugh at that post jmays. You really don't get it. Do you actually read the other posts before you respond? Or is this some type of trick to get others to explain everything to you?
Guest made it very clear that you should read up on it before you take it. My responses were more about taking the poly if you are a suspect or under investigation.
I think the biggest problem here is education. Because I can't see how an educated person would be having these problems following a line of logic, especially one as simple as this.
The personal attacks, haven't been that bad. The only reason that I've said some less than positive things about your future as an LEO is because it would worry me to have someone with your views and intelligence in a position of authority, where life and death decisions may have to be made. I really wouldn't want someone that thinks the way you do, watching my back or representing an organization that I belonged to. I just wouldn't be able to trust your judgement. However having said that, any officer in the army would probably love to have a whole battalion of privates like yourself. There is a need for people like you, just not in LE. where I am you pretty much need a university degree to become an LEO. I'm guessing that this is different in other areas.
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Post by jmays on Dec 30, 2002 22:06:30 GMT -5
Oh no. Every thing that has been said is very very clear. Where have I stated anything that would lead you to believe otherwise? I just think you guys are a couple of goof balls. That's all. Let me elaborate. You say that you are worried that a person of my "intelligence" could be a LEO, but I feel the same way about you two. Especially "guest" who, like I have said time and again, comes to a message board such as this one, and goes on and on about the tinsy insy winsy part of a process, which countless thousands of people have gone through in the past, and just whines and try's to shed some light on this "witchcraft." Well, I happen to feel that the behavior I just mentioned in regards to "guest" is pretty darn immature. And I am very thankful that he hasn't become a LEO. It would be a trip to see "guest" in a situation and he just didn't think a criminal was being "fair" to him, so he would need to come here and post about it, and let everyone know how unfair he was being treated. The criminal would get away with whatever he wanted. That mentality just doesn't fly when it comes to being a LEO. As for you stating that I don't have "what it takes" to be a LEO, you don't know me. I happen to be an extremely responsible person. I know all about the Police Life. I know exactly what it takes to be a Police Officer. I grew up with my dad being a police officer. He retired when I was about 17, but I would ride with him, for the short time I remember him being on patrol, and when he became a detective, I would go with him on crime scenes. When my brother became a police officer 4 years ago, I started riding with him. I know what it takes to be a LEO. Just because I come on the internet and make fun of you morons, doesn't mean I don't have the "intelligence" to be a LEO. You can't even imagine my intelligence. Its far beyond yours, I'm sure. That's why I am keeping this going, because I will NOT be publicly put down by two dudes, who have nothing better to do that come to a place, and shed some light on a subject that is ridiculous, and the people only ramble about because they have somewhat of a shady past, and got busted for it. If you were in my face right now, and you said to me what you have said online, I would show you my intelligence. One thing that a LEO must always do, is stay ontop and in charge of every situation he is in. So if some guy tells me that I shouldn't be where I am, or whatever, then he will see my response. You can hide behind your little computer screen there, and have a good old time, and let everyone know what a victim you are, but the fact is, you people can't hack it in the real world. So you have to try to make life miserable for the rest of the world. This post is getting ridiculous. It shows how immature you two are for me trying to end it, on several occasions and you two keep it going, for whatever reason you have. So again, I say that if you want to continue this conversation, you can email me. I just had to laugh at that post jmays. You really don't get it. Do you actually read the other posts before you respond? Or is this some type of trick to get others to explain everything to you? Guest made it very clear that you should read up on it before you take it. My responses were more about taking the poly if you are a suspect or under investigation. I think the biggest problem here is education. Because I can't see how an educated person would be having these problems following a line of logic, especially one as simple as this. The personal attacks, haven't been that bad. The only reason that I've said some less than positive things about your future as an LEO is because it would worry me to have someone with your views and intelligence in a position of authority, where life and death decisions may have to be made. I really wouldn't want someone that thinks the way you do, watching my back or representing an organization that I belonged to. I just wouldn't be able to trust your judgement. However having said that, any officer in the army would probably love to have a whole battalion of privates like yourself. There is a need for people like you, just not in LE. where I am you pretty much need a university degree to become an LEO. I'm guessing that this is different in other areas. |
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Post by guest on Dec 31, 2002 10:47:01 GMT -5
Hee,hee. Sure got the blood boiling didn't we?! I am going to end this for myself too. "A" you can't make a lepard change its spots. If you investigate the poly jmays and still maintain that it is a valuable, scientific tool then you are not as intelligent as you think you are. The poly is exactly analogous to this story I read on the antipoly web page a couple of months back.
This tribe used to put a cow in this blacked out tent. The tribe leader would send in someone accused of lieing or stealing something, etc. The leader would tell the accused that if you have told me the truth and you go in and pull the cows tail it won't moo. If you have lied and pull the cows tail it will moo. Ohh this is a special cow (current day polygraph machine) so you had better not lie or the cow will know. The leader would cover the cows tail with soot. Anyone who came out of the tent without soot on his/her hands was lieing. Same works for the poly. Sorry jmays I don't have the time to explain this story in anymore depth. Later guys and I wish you luck.
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Post by A on Dec 31, 2002 11:45:16 GMT -5
Hhehe, ya guest, his "intelligence" is really showing. He's even more incoherent than usual. I'm sensing the bullying attitute of solving every situation. Oh hey "One thing that a LEO must always do, is stay ontop and in charge of every situation he is in" Actually thats a good way to get killed. One thing an LEO must know is when a situation is out of control, and to step back until it's possible to control it. Funny there were actually a few questions regarding this on my police test. I got them right. Again were I'm from a University degree is pretty much needed. I guess in Hazzard county were Jmays is from grade 12 is the max. Grade 12 and your trusty .45 will get you through anything!!! Heck, if Daddy and big bro (billy bob?) are in the force, then who needs an education? I mean Christ, you probably already know everyone in town since you're all related. ;D Ok that was uncalled for. I just couldn't resist. You can laugh all you want at us "two goofs", the difference is when we laugh at you, we understand the joke. Again I should appologize, I really shouldn't pick on the feable minded. I just can't help it sometimes.  Hey Guest, can I suggest two options? One is to try out for the RCMP. There are no guarantees, but it might be worth a shot. Another is to try for the United States. There is a war comming, when it hits apply for the army. I don't know if this will work, but they have a history of accepting Canadians in war times. Get your US citizenship and then apply for the police. By the time you're done basic training in the army the war will be over. I'd personally make a run for the RCMP but if that fails, the US route might work. Don't mention applying to forces in Canada to them. Hopefully their systems aren't that integrated with ours. Just some thoughts, I'd like to see you suceed in this, I think it's a waste that you didn't make the cut. Good luck. Also nice analogy it was a good one  |
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Post by A on Dec 31, 2002 11:53:00 GMT -5
Actually Jmays I do have one question for you. What kind of a wack job takes their kids out on patrol and to crime scenes? I'd be trying to protect my kids from that. Thats the last thing I'd want them to see or grow up around. I'm surprised that a department would allow that. Thats the type of mentality that I would dread in my coworkers.
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Post by jmays on Dec 31, 2002 12:01:38 GMT -5
And yet you still insult my intelligence. Actually, I am currently attending The University of Tennessee and am on the Deans List. So you can insult my intelligence all you want, but I bet you never had a 3.9 GPA. Anyway, your personal remarks and slander towards me only show your intelligence. And my dad took me along because he didn't feel that I needed to be sheltered. And if I did choose to get into a Law Enforcement career, he wanted me to be prepaired. I currentely work for a large insurance company as an accountant. When you were 20 years old, were you an accountant? Probably not. Like I said earlier, I am a hell of a lot smarter than your goofy ass thinks.
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Post by guest on Dec 31, 2002 12:45:28 GMT -5
Actually "A" I just received my letter form the RCMP stating please apply again in 2 years. I have a relative quite high up in the RCMP and he was flabergasted I didn't make the cut after I was being told to get ready to go. I sold vehicles, cashed in RRSP's, told work I was on my way and then bam! Screwed! My relative started to rattle some branches and was shut out being told that if they (the RCMP recruiters in charge of my file) tell my relative why I was defered they would be fired. I also applied to about 3 different municiple forces in my province and was defered from each exactly after they contacted CPS. I was told to obtain my RCMP file via the freedom of info and privacy act and hopefully it will contain the reason. I am putting the chances of that happening at about 10 to 1. The RC's will just omit or blackout any info physically stating where they obtained the info in question. Actually the freedom of info and privacy act contains a clause allowing police forces to retain info they deem might be use against another agency in court. Plain and simple the cops are above the law and they will never reveal that they defered me based on a written statment from the CPS polygrapher. All CPS has now is the written notes from the polygrapher. I went back a year ago and talked to the recruiting sgt asking to clear my recruitment record of some fabricated confessions he had written about me. They didn't have the "illegal" taperecording of my poly anymore and stated "we stand by our polygraphers note, sorry". I asked what would happen if another force calls asking CPS why I was defered. He told me they retain he right to hold that bulls^&t info indefinately and they could tell whom they please because they don't fall under the federal freedom act. That is why I will never physically get evidence that the CPS told any other forces their fabricated story. All other forces tell me to apply again in 2 years, when I do I get the same old song and dance. Defered, please try again. I have applied over 6 times to these various forces and it is the same thing. Police are above the law, some moron at CPS decided for me that I was not worthy the become a LEO and tainted my file forever. The RCMP won't tell me I am defered for life as tehy can't reveal their reason so they give me the letter saying apply again in two years and defer me again. There comes a time when I have to get on with my life and that is what I am doing now. I am past it but that is why I am on this cruisade to help prevent other people from making the same mistakes I did. I have a great job making more than I ever would as a cop with much better hours and less politics. I will get past this whole LE thing but not befoe I help out at least one person to avoid the trap I fell in. Romano in the thread "two more years!!" fell for the same trap I did, I am sure of it and I hope I can help him out of the same mess before it screws him like it did me. That is all I have to say about that!
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Post by guest on Dec 31, 2002 12:47:18 GMT -5
PS I also tried for the LAPD. They won't take you unless you get a green card. For me to get a green card being from Canada would take me about 10 years! Trust me when I say I tried it all! What can you do! Such is life.
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Post by A on Dec 31, 2002 19:40:55 GMT -5
jmays, here's a tip buddy. Since this is a written format the term would be Libel, not slander. I'm sure you already knew this since you're on the Dean's list and all.  Ahhh, this guy is so funny it kills me. Sniff . ;D Thats too bad guest. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm glad you're doing well otherwise. |
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Post by jmays on Jan 1, 2003 3:57:00 GMT -5
I'm not your buddy. But thanks anyway. And how are you saying that I am libel? And yes, I do know what that means. I just don't know how that would apply to me.. Your sentence doesn't really make a whole lot of sense. jmays, here's a tip buddy. Since this is a written format the term would be Libel, not slander. I'm sure you already knew this since you're on the Dean's list and all. Ahhh, this guy is so funny it kills me. Sniff . ;D Thats too bad guest. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm glad you're doing well otherwise. |
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Post by A on Jan 2, 2003 0:26:22 GMT -5
Jmays, buddy sounding so much more polite than calling you a@@hole.
I'm limiting this post to under 2 minutes. Thats all of the time you get to waste. Seriously nobody could be as stupid as you pretend to be.
Does this quote mean anything to you "Anyway, your personal remarks and slander towards me only show ..."
It would not be slander you moron. Thats what I was saying.
Jmays, don't bother posting anything to me. I really don't want anything to do with you or your posts (hence why nobody wants to email you privately to carry on this topic).
Hey Guest, I'm glad to hear that your doing well in another field. At this point in the RCMP process I'm not really counting on anything, if it works out then great if not well there will be other oportunities. If it was meant to be then it'll happen (of course I'm still doing my best and playing it smart) if not then so be it. Best of luck to you, and thanks for the helful advice. l
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Post by jmays on Jan 2, 2003 1:11:40 GMT -5
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Post by NDP1979 on Jan 2, 2003 12:09:03 GMT -5
YOU GUYS HAVE COMPLETELY LOST ME |
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Post by A on Jan 2, 2003 23:15:37 GMT -5
Nope not mad, just cutting out wasted time.
NDP1979:
not much to follow really. A certain poster here has a very narrow viewpoint that is pretty scary especially for an aspiring police officer. He tried to refute the anlogy that was made. He claimed that guest did it to himself. However according to guest, the polygraph interview actually created the problem by fabricating results, therfore guest would be the victim. Said poster is blaming the victim (assuming that everything said is true of course). The poster in question attempts to impress us with misused legal jargon (Written it's Libel, slander is only when spoken). Thats really about it. I took offence to the attitude that trying drugs means that guest got what he/she deserved (summary of Jmays' posts). Also that guest's views on the polygraph are incorrect (indendent evidence, taught at universities supports guest's views).
There you go, now you're up to speed.
Unfortunately there is no point carrying on, since jmays obviously doesn't understand, so there is no hope of this person changing their views.
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Post by NDP1979 on Jan 6, 2003 17:27:34 GMT -5
Thanks for the update. Happy Debating - |
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