RCMP

[Romano]

It does seem a little ridiculous that females or visible minorities need a lower score to pass. I agree it should be the best scores take the jobs.

[Observer]

You sound like an expert on visible minorities and "discrimination". Tell me, are you suggesting that ALL visible minorities hired by police departments are somehow inferior to their white male competitors ? The reality out there does not reflect the myth of poorly qualified visible minorities being hired in hoardes, thereby taking the place of more qualified white males. Be honest, how many visible minority police officers do you see out there compared to whites ? How many visible minority applicants have you personally met and spoken to. I have only met 2 black RCMP officers, and I litterally stare whenever I see the occassional black/indian/oriental municipal police officer. I am sick to death of bitter white males who seek to lay blame elsewhere for their own failures. I am black and I scored 4.37 on the RPAT, I have a college diploma, a university degree and started another, member of the military reserves, volunteer experience coming out of my ying-yang, and currently am an intermediate level federal employee, etc..etc. Yet, its amazing how many bitter white males I speak to about my intent to join the RCMP and the first thing out of their mouths is "you will get in....because you are black". No, correction, I will HOPEFULLY get in because I am qualified. Yes, there may be a written policy in place to hire more visible minorities, but it does not mean that every visible minority that applies and is accepted is somehow damaged goods and does not deserve to be a police officer. Most visible minorities I know of would NEVER attempt to apply to any police departments unless they planned to bring their "A" game, because we know the mentality of, thankfully, the small minority of bitter white males who will always attempt to discredit us. And yes, there are "unqualified" visible minorities that do get on police forces, so too do "unqualified" white males. Remember, we don't all sit around all day eating fried chicken and watermelon and don't know how to read and write, some of us are actually good candidates

Guest-guest said:

Don't you love the hypocracy of these police forces. "We are equal opportunity employers" . Oh ya if you are male you need a higher mark to pass! Please fill out this declaration of race and sex.

It will be nice when the day comes that applicants will be just a number to the interviewers and recruiters. You will be scored based on your performance and answers. The best person for the job will be hired based soley on merit. Gotta love this "affirmative action" , I mean "reverse discrimination" or shall I say plain and simple "discrimination".

[DisturbedReader]

Hello,

This is in regards to "Guest" the person who is so opinionated, however is to embarressed to write there name because of there interesting comments. Do you know who the people are that make those comments, it's people who didn't make the cut because they weren't good enough and there looking for someone to blame. Then you know what, it's that attitude that won't get you in.

[onedaysoon]

Observer

Welcome to the group..

Dont take offence to the above.. We are all different and in every occupation there are good and bad of all races, etc..

Do your best and you will get judged on that!

Where are you from and whats your timeline like?

P.s. Nice score on the Rpat

[therecruit1]

nutcase,
Of course the RCMP has many flaws but the municipal forces have their own set of problems. Nothing is perfect in this world. I know several officers in municipal forces who would love to join the RCMP because they feel the same about their dept. as you do about the RCMP.

If you are a member of the RCMP, have you considered applying elsewhere to see if the grass really is greener on the other side. If its a pay cheque you are looking for you might as while get one from a dept you think you would be happier in. Although, you may be in for a surprise.

Personally, I don't NEED to wear the SERGE but it definitely is COOL!

[quote author=Guest-nutcase
link=board=1&thread=1014915177&start=843#56 date=1053717746]Dont let it get you down. I am a member of the RCMP. Dont be fooled , the RCMP have many flaws. Some municpial forces are much better to work for. It just depends whether or not you need to wear the SERGE. The novelty wears off rather quickly and in the end you still get up and deal with scumbags on a day to day basis. What differecne does it make if you are getting a pay cheque.[/quote]

[nutcase]

I dont need to see if the grass is greener on the other side. I am pretty happy where I am at but for those who wanna play cop it doesnt matter what uniform you wear, you still deal with shitrats at street level. Apply for them all. You only live once.

[ace13]

Guys ....

I understand that people have their own opinions and it is nice to vent when things don't go the way you think they should. But please, be curteous to your fellow readers which might at some point be your fellow members.

The end result of the recruitment and training process should rely on two issues ... does the person do their job and can you depend on them to cover your back when you go to a call.

Good luck to all in the waiting process. And congrats to those who made it. I love my job and I'm proud to be a Mountie. Never give up your dreams!

Ace13

[MrsJamaf]

Well said, Ace!!

[Dragon]

Your right on ace ;D I agree with you totally. Good to hear your imput. I'm really happy for you as now your know as Cst. Ace I bet it seems like yesterday that you started this RCMP thread..... ;D ;D

Tim

[Romano]

I apologize if some people here took what I said the wrong way. I am in no way against women or minorities from applying and working in law enforcement. I know many very qualified women and minority constables within the very service I currently volunteer with. All I meant was that the jobs should be given to those who are BEST suited regardless of ethnicity, religion, sex, whatever. I apologize to "Observer" if I offended you in any way as this was not my intention. Good luck with your application.

[Observer]

Romano said:

I apologize if some people here took what I said the wrong way. I am in no way against women or minorities from applying and working in law enforcement. I know many very qualified women and minority constables within the very service I currently volunteer with. All I meant was that the jobs should be given to those who are BEST suited regardless of ethnicity, religion, sex, whatever. I apologize to "Observer" if I offended you in any way as this was not my intention. Good luck with your application.

Hi,

No, I wasn't offended by your remarks Romano. I understood what you were saying and I agree with you. Selection should be based on merits. My long winded response was more directed at "guest" not you.

[guest]

Observer,

You should really take a second and check what and why you wrote what you did. You made alot of statements based soley on emotion. You also made alot of statements that neither I nor Romano said. Neither of us stated that "inferior" or "damaged goods" minorities are getting the job over superior anybodies. We merely stated facts that minorities and women require a lower (it is not a written policy of any force but they all do it) score to get onto the next stage. I agree that from the RPAT stage everyone is mesured against the same yard stick which is good. The point we were trying to get across is another fact that regardless of what you, me or any force calls it "affirmative action" is plain and simple discrimination against white males and to a lesser degree females. I was trying to raise the question "when are we as a race (the human race) going to put an and to this crap and start treating people as people not blacks, whites, males, female, etc?" I, and you probably should too, be embarrased that our national police force even conforms to such a ridiculous policy, written or implied. The best person for the job should get it, period! I find it incomprehensible that I should have to get a higher mark because of peoples actions and attitudes towards minorities, women, etc in the past (typically before I was born). I don't think that way. Don't mesure me against the yard stick and stereotype you have developed for white males. You don't know me or anything about me, I am not who or what you think just because I am a white male. That is the attitude that got us where we are today. Check the post Observer. You don't have to "remind me" that black people don't sit around all day eating fried chicken and watermelon! I never said nor implied that. You did! If we are making stupid assumtions here then I can rest assured (and assume I suppose) that because you brought your "A-game" to every stage of your application, you went out of your way and stipulated that the RCMP waive your pass benchmark for minorities and insisted you be scored against their highest pass benchmark for white males? I am not a "bitter white male" as you labelled me. I am just sick and tired of these forces, being funded by my hard earned tax dollars, skewing pass grades and physical benchmarks (eg. females in the CPS don't have to bench as much weight as men to pass the physical yet they are supposed to do the same job??) to increase the acceptance and visible profile of their ranks.

[Observer]

Guest-guest said:

Observer,

You should really take a second and check what and why you wrote what you did. You made alot of statements based soley on emotion. You also made alot of statements that neither I nor Romano said. Neither of us stated that "inferior" or "damaged goods" minorities are getting the job over superior anybodies. We merely stated facts that minorities and women require a lower (it is not a written policy of any force but they all do it) score to get onto the next stage. I agree that from the RPAT stage everyone is mesured against the same yard stick which is good. The point we were trying to get across is another fact that regardless of what you, me or any force calls it "affirmative action" is plain and simple discrimination against white males and to a lesser degree females. I was trying to raise the question "when are we as a race (the human race) going to put an and to this crap and start treating people as people not blacks, whites, males, female, etc?" I, and you probably should too, be embarrased that our national police force even conforms to such a ridiculous policy, written or implied. The best person for the job should get it, period! I find it incomprehensible that I should have to get a higher mark because of peoples actions and attitudes towards minorities, women, etc in the past (typically before I was born). I don't think that way. Don't mesure me against the yard stick and stereotype you have developed for white males. You don't know me or anything about me, I am not who or what you think just because I am a white male. That is the attitude that got us where we are today. Check the post Observer. You don't have to "remind me" that black people don't sit around all day eating fried chicken and watermelon! I never said nor implied that. You did! If we are making stupid assumtions here then I can rest assured (and assume I suppose) that because you brought your "A-game" to every stage of your application, you went out of your way and stipulated that the RCMP waive your pass benchmark for minorities and insisted you be scored against their highest pass benchmark for white males? I am not a "bitter white male" as you labelled me. I am just sick and tired of these forces, being funded by my hard earned tax dollars, skewing pass grades and physical benchmarks (eg. females in the CPS don't have to bench as much weight as men to pass the physical yet they are supposed to do the same job??) to increase the acceptance and visible profile of their ranks.

Hi guest,

Your opinions have been noted. Hope you have a nice day.

[guest]

Is drug experimentation in the past (10 yrs ago) enough to fail the interview?

[journey2cps-redux]

Guest,

Should not be an issue at all ;D RMCP only looks at clean for three years, recomend longer of course, but 3 min.

Other Guest, (not sure if they are the same person)

While reading your post to Observer, I noticed that you said

I agree that from the RPAT stage everyone is mesured against the same yard stick which is good.

Unless I'm mis understanding your post, not everyone is measured against the same yard stick...When I wrote (sept 02) I (white male) needed a 4.13 to get a package, my friend who wrote at the same time (vis Minority) only needed the standard 3.2, and a white female was required to get a 3.4. Granted everyone who receives higher than 3.2 "passes" but they don't always continue on. I think the PARE is more of an even requirement since everyone HAS to be under 4:45 regardless of sex...

Just my 2 cents... ;D