RCMP

[Jag]

J2D,

You are right. My wife already looked at me as if I was missing a few screws. She asked "So what is wrong with you?" The comment alone makes you want to visit a Psychologist.

This better work out otherwise it will affect more than my career goals!

More on a serious note, Guest is probably right. I did take my time with the question in the Psych Test.

Guest what was your outcome? Jag

[guest]

Google Search:

Minnisota Multiphasic Personality Inventory II.

Used for criminals, drop outs, mental patients, bad kids, etc... Also suited for police applicants for some reason.

[Storm]

Hey all,

Once again I stay out for a few days and the posts are piled up. Congrats to all of you with interviews, keep trying tothose waiting.

Longshot is unforutnately right about a few poeple who should not be there. When I was in training I would look and listen to some of the other cadets and think how in the heck did they get here? and why did threy apply? SO guys just wnat a job....reconsider the type of job you want if you are willing to carry a gun and wear body armor just for your paycheck. But, unfortunately there are people who are heavy handed or come across to harsh. I have to admit, I have lost my patience a couple of times with people, I have had to stop and say I didnt mean to yell at you, but it happens. Then there are people who are really bullies with badges or simply morons. but, can anyone on here point out a perfect group of porfessionals? Anyone here that can point to a group of professionals that is beyond reproach.....well.....it is not possible.

THe MMPI2, or the phyche examine is a loooooong test that was explained to me by a friend with a behavioural science background as follows, imagine a big bell curve, at either end mark off a section for 5-8% of society, take the whole middle and throw everyone else in there. The ends represent depressed, schizophrenic (pardon my spelling), multiple personality disorder, obsessive complusive disorder, suicidal tendencies and so on. it has a 7 step scoring system with a sub scoring system. Most police services go further and have there own sub systems again. It also used questions to verify lying. There are a set of questions that 98% of people answer yes or no too. That is what was passed on to me and a little research I did on my own.

Relax, if you are any of the above mentioned disordered people you probably already know, and on the up side, if you don't know then you can get some help. On the serious side, you get an appointment with a pychologist in most areas before they remove you from the list.

Hang tuff folks,

Storm

[Guest Mo]

Longshot and Storm do have a point. The 10% factor. Although 90% of the cops out there are excellent members, they rarely make the news headlines. The other 10% do. They are the ones that got burnt out by the job but continue to work in it...the Lazy ones. Then there are the ones that don't have much patience and sound like a complete a**hole when dealing with people. Then there are the very few within the 10% that think certain laws don't apply to them.

Becasue policing is a profession that is always under the microscpoe by the media, and police actions are under scrutiny by the courts as part of a daily course of buisness, a lot of the mistakes make the news. It also doesn't help that police in many other countries are corrupt and are openly the power arm of corrupt governments....so all the police brutality stories from across the world on some level get processed by Canadains as "police abuse people"....even though policing is extremely different between China, India, etc, and Canada

EVERY other profession has the same issues, but they are not made public. If you look at professional conduct organisations for teachers, docotrs...etc you will be surprised at the types of bull that happens in their respective positions.

So to all those people that are applying that are a**holes, don't. I am tired of feeling proud to do my job only to have someone from my community ask me if I'm going to put the beats on them.

All you need is one a**hole in a uniform to make all the other uniforms look bad.

[YYC]

Journey: I am sorry to learn your application was denied. Please keep us posted and let us know how things go with CPS.

On that note, it appears to be confirmed that our applications and answers to the secuirty interview are reviewed by someone in Edmonton prior to our medical packages being sent.

When I had my interview, I was told my file would be reviewed in Edmonton before I was allowed to continue (as with all I guess.)

On another note, I have been debating whether or not to offer an opinion regarding previous criminal activity or the bad things we have done in our past, re: MP3 players for example. So I guess I will.

Keep in mind that a key area that is measured by the RCMP and any other agency is honesty and integrity. Should we find ourselves debating whether or not to inform the RCMP of our past doings, the clear answer should be yes.

It would be a determent to your current, or future application(s) should there be any suspicion that you are withholding information. The excuse, should you be discovered, of "I didnt think you would care..." probably wont wash.

Therefore, it is most likley best to have your interviewer roll his eyes and say "move on..." rather than get the impresion that your are withholding information, or worst, it is discovered in your background.

Take it for what you think it may be worth.

YYC

[Guest]

Did anyone find out any information about the tax credit/benefit thing for time spent at depot?

[Jag]

My understand of Tax Credits and Taxable Benefits is that they are two opposite items.

Any money you spend (attending an educational institution) minus food and beer ;D, can be claim as a Tax Credit. Hence, you would use it to reduce your income tax. Similar to when you are going to college.

As for any money that RCMP spends on you will be a Taxable Benefits. Hence, you would pay taxes on that because you are benefiting from it. Similar to when your employer gives a parking allowance or housing allowance.

Any accountants out there? Jag

[Guest]

Anyone know how much the RCMP spends on you while at Depot? How much is room and board...$500/month as given in the example on the RCMP webpage? Any other expenses?

[Jas]

Hey All,

This is the info I have...

"Room and board paid by the RCMP on behalf of the cadet is an eligible benefit by Revenue Canada. Cadets will receive a T4 of approx $3,400 for the 22 weeks of training. "

Otherwise as far as I know besides your purchases/expenses (school supplies etc.) you can also claim $200 per month for just being a full time student (regardless of who is paying for your schooling). That and the fact that we aren't getting a pay cheque should mean that things will work out okay

Jas

[macguy9]

I took the time to call up CCRA regarding this blasted tax thingy. From the horse's mouth:

The 'Taxable Benefit' part is basically seen as 'earnings' from the CCRA. You will be taxed on this amount at the end of the year.

Since the Government is paying for our schooling also, we are not entitled to claim education credits during this time.

Bottom line: You don't get paid, you get taxed on $3400 for the room and board, and you don't get a tax credit.

Y'all may want to save for 7 or 8 months instead of just 6 like they suggest.

[guest]

Municipal police forces in BC now charge $9000.00 tuition to go through their program at the Justice Institute. It is expected to rise to $11,000.00 or so.

As for tax benefits and such for the RCMP, it is a small price to pay for a lifetime of financial security, full medical dental and life insurance for your familes, access to all of Canada, and the best darn retirement plan for the blue collar worker.

[Guest]

Good point guest.

Also your loss of salary for 6 months should more than offset the T4 for $3400 you get from old Chretien.

Unless you make less than $600 a month now.

[MrsJamaf]

With regard to what macguy said about planning for more than 6 months with no income....based on our experience that's a very good idea.
Even though Jeff graduated June 9th, his first paycheck didn't come through till this week.
But the RCMP does have someting called ESA's or Emergency Salary Adavance which they will issue if needed. I'm not sure if this is issued to everyone or what the criteria is to qualify for it.
Any advances they give you are recovered from that first paychecque.

[Bas]

Oh man, it sucks royally how you have to live on $0 income for 6 months!!

[guest]

I don't understand the RCMP's thinking on this one.

I heard that when the RCMP first thought of abolishing pay during training everyone was worried they would lose all their applicants. Apparently that was not the case.

However I have to wonder how they think they are being competative and obtaining the best applicants when they don't pay for 6 months? Most every other municipal force does.

Offering pay advances is a joke too as you have to pay it back on your next check. You are still going to be short money until your second paycheck.

And to top it all off the darn govenment charges you income tax on your room and board during your training??? What a joke. I am amazed they get any applicants at all. Wait until the wonderful poly come through. They will see half their applicants lost for deception. My guess is they will start paying for training again approximately 2 years after the implementation of the poly.