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Post by Epoxy7 on Jan 10, 2003 4:24:39 GMT -5
Romano,
No offence, but I know guys who were also defered for "lack of real life experience". One was 22 and the other 24. Both of them were told right after their interviews. Not after taking a poly and all of the other stuff. I know the system fairly well. I've been in it a number of years, and have friends who have been trying for the municipal forces. I'm really glad that this was the problem for you. But I'm extremely surprised, because I do have "the facts" when it comes down to the process. Again I've never heard of this before. I'm glad for you though. Good luck.
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Post by guest on Jan 10, 2003 12:23:45 GMT -5
I have to side with Epoxy on this one Romano. Put up your defences and call me what you will but I still have to feel that the timeline and circumstances surrounding your deferal don't make sense. Yes I am biased regarding what happended to me but it is worth a logical look at your time line. I don't think I would roll over on this one quite yet.
Your file manager told you they defered you because of a lack in real life experience? Epoxy was right, if they felt your age was a concern they would let you know after the interviews! They are not going to proceed with a poly. The poly is not going to determine whether you are more mature than you portrayed yourself during the interviews. "Hmmm, he is a little young and lacking in wordly experience but lets spend the money and see how he does on the poly". It doesn't make sense.
You also stated that their second reason was some pot use around three years ago. Either it was over three years ago or it wasn't. CPS hiring policy states any drug use under three years ago results in a deferal. If you stated to them that the drug use was greater than three years ago then that should not have been an issue. If you stated that your drug use was under three years ago you would not have gotten to the interview stage let alone the poly! ALso (being the conspiracy theorist I am), did you at any time during the pre- or post-poly interview waive on your stated date of last drug use? If the polygraper asked you "are you positive about the last time you tried drugs? Is it possible you tried them less than three years ago?" One peep from you saying "its possible I guess" or " I am not 100% positive" and you sealed your fate. Did you also "help the polygrapher out" by stating you maybe tried drugs 5 or 10 times in the past as opposed to the three (guessing here) times you stated during your disclosure form or interview? Any little thing like that would have defered you.
Food for thought! Do the math and ask yourself, if it was your lack of experience or past drug use (both of which would have been evident to them during your 3 on 1 interviews) why would they proceed with the poly and any other stages after the interview? They would cut you at the interview stage. I wouldn't blindly put all your trust in their "system" thinking they are being 100% forthright with you. They will tell you what they want, when they want and can omit what ever they please. They don't fall under the Federal Freedom of Info and Privacy Act so they can do what they like regarding what info they disclose to you.
I have a feeling my posts are falling on deaf ears here but you will find out in two years I guess. If life experience and some distance between your last drug use are the only reasons then you should be a shoe in concidering you went all the way this time around. Good luck Romano!
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Post by Chris77 on Jan 10, 2003 14:37:49 GMT -5
I don't know much about Canadian Municipal departments but does CPS have any type of volunteer or auxiliary officer program? Maybe Epoxy and guest are right and the poly was your downfall, but if they are wrong and the real reason for your deferral was the lack of life experience then what better way is there to get experience? If CPS doesn't have that type of program then perhaps another city nearby will have one.
Good luck. If you really want this, you will find a way to make it happen.
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Post by Romano on Jan 10, 2003 16:38:39 GMT -5
Chris77, CPS does not have an auxillary program but they do have a volunteer program which I have been invloved with for the past 3 years. I basically just work in an office once a week, answer the phone and do any minor reports that come my way. There are however many other areas to volunteer within the CPS.
Guest, My past drug use was over 3 years ago and the only reason they deferred me was because they did not feel that there was enough distance between that time period 3 years ago and now. basically I am only 23 and they want to make certain that I have matured and am past that period of my life. And yes I passed ALL stages of the application right up until the Background (which was not completed). I had nothing to worry about in the poly because I had disclosed every possible thing in the disclosure. I will re-apply in 2 years and get on, and that will be that.
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Post by marcusinmb on Jan 12, 2003 3:13:40 GMT -5
ROMANO - I've been picked up by RCMP and am to start on Feb 1 in Regina. Just waiting to get out of the Army first, should be out on Jan 29.
Don't listen to the conspiracy theorists Romano. I'm convinced that CPS probably wanted to offer you a spot but when competing against the other equally-skilled but older applicants as you were, that soft drug use 3 yrs ago forced them to go with someone else without that issue in their past. Take the 2 yrs, work hard, become an even better applicant and in 2 yrs when they hire you, that drug use won't even be an issue anymore in their minds.
DAVE - Good luck with the OC on Monday. Believe it or not, the Career Mangler is still considering my 6 month waiver as we speak! I think the air in Ottawa turns people stupid. Time to step it up a notch and get my COS involved. I'm still confident. Have a good one.
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Post by dave on Jan 12, 2003 15:06:19 GMT -5
Marcusinmb Actually, I got in friday with the OC, no problems, and am getting snuck in to see the CO Monday morning, so I'll send you a private msg and tell you how it went. getting the lube ready....  dave |
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Post by Epoxy7 on Jan 12, 2003 21:02:15 GMT -5
marcusinmb, no conspiracy theory here.
I'm just surprised, because my personal experience in the process and that of friends has led me to believe that something here doesn't seem right. Who knows maybe it did come down to the line between two equal candidates. Hopefully that is all it is. However I think guest's advice wouldn't hurt. IE cover your a@@, and find out exactly what is going on right now, not 2 years from now. If that is all the information that they'll release than I guess there really isn't much you can do about it, except wait another 2 years. Be glad it's not the RCMP, a 1 year deferral works out to 2 years. A 2 year would be closer to 3.
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Post by guest on Jan 14, 2003 13:33:14 GMT -5
Romano,
If you feel you have nothing to worry about the poly because you disclosed everything possible during the disclosure you must not have done much research into the poly. You said your background wasn't complete. Did that mean they started it? If they did, and they dropped your application midway through your background investigation I think you better clear your head and do some math (not trying to be mean here Romano). You say your deferal was because they want more space between your last drug use and because they felt you were not old enough. You disclosed everything possible in your disclosure statement and application. They would have seen that months ago during the preliminary stages of your application and defered you then. You would not have been advanced to the poly and background stage! Sit back and think about your timeline, I have to side with Epoxy here and say things don't even come close to adding up bud?! If even one of your former employers, neighbors, or references were called (ie they started your background) and then they defered you after you took your poly, the evidence is clear. They defered you because of the poly! Plain and simple.
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Post by Romano on Jan 14, 2003 16:29:19 GMT -5
Guest, first of all my background was not started at all, not one of my references or employers was called. Second of all, why would CPS defer me for 2 years if they really wanted to defer me for life? I personally know of people who have received letters that explicitly stated that they were deferred for life. I asked my file manager directly about my deferral and she told me it was as it says...two years. Perhaps the reason my app was allowed to continue so far was because my file manager thought that it was good enough to continue but the SGT. overruled her and felt that a 2 year deferral was appropriate. Lastly, if I did fail the poly, why would they wait 2 months to send me a letter? I did the Poly in the beginning of November, I did not get my letter until close to the end of December. Anyhow, I think this subject has been beaten to death, so lets just finally let it die, at least so we don't have to hear anymore of you and Epoxy's conspiracy theories.
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Post by Glenn on Jan 14, 2003 17:38:22 GMT -5
Amen to that ;D
Roamano,
Two years will start to fly by. During this time, I am sure you will gain some excellant life experiences that you will be able to use at the interviews. Keep up your volunteer activities, and go on the odd ride a long if it is available to you. Get your face known. I know it is a big department with many detachments, but do your best at volunteering.
You were defeered because of the reason your file manager told you, you know it, I know it, and most of, you know it.
Nothing is wrong with 2 years. I have one year deferral, which is half way over. But hopefully I will be picked up by the RCMP.
Well got to run,
Chat later
Glenn
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Post by Romano on Jan 14, 2003 19:16:13 GMT -5
Thanks Glenn, good luck with the mounties, you'll be at depot before you know it.
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