RCMP Appeal Re: Application

[justanotherguestwithaquestion]

Hello All:

It seems that there is a wealth of knowledge and experience on this web page so I hope I can take advantage of it with this question:

Recently, I recieved a letter from the RCMP, basically saying "Thanks, but no thanks... You are welcome to re apply in one year..."

I completed all stages of the RCMP process. My application was rejected when the NCO i/c of Recruiting reviewed my file in the end.

I requested a copy of my file through FOIPP. One month later it was recieved, intact with the exception of all names being whited out. No problem, it is easy to exprapolate who said what.

Attached to the file was the reason from the NCO as to its rejection. However, his reason is not consistent with information provided by sources to the RCMP.

The majority of all the source information was very positive, including references from serving members.

Obviously, some of it was not, but that relates to a past self. So, my today self is being judged on my past self by this one member, and as such, my file was concluded.

So, therefore, my question is, has anyone been successful in challenging the opinion of the RCMP on recruitment matters, ie - Can I write this guy's boss and ask for a review?

My concern is if I re-apply in one year (I think they say that for everyone regardless of circustances) will they just come up with the same line again?

Thank you for your advice.

I'll listen to it and let you know what I do.

[DaveB]

You might want to ask this question on a more active Canadian Forum.

www.Blueline.ca comes to mind. Their might be people that can better answer your question there.

Or there is a private group in MSN... although that is mostly composed of fellow recruits who would likely just be guessing... Blueline has people that read it that could very likely give you an informed answer...

Dave

[Guards]

Guest-justanotherguestwithaquestion said:

Hello All:

It seems that there is a wealth of knowledge and experience on this web page so I hope I can take advantage of it with this question:

Recently, I recieved a letter from the RCMP, basically saying "Thanks, but no thanks... You are welcome to re apply in one year..."

I completed all stages of the RCMP process. My application was rejected when the NCO i/c of Recruiting reviewed my file in the end.

I requested a copy of my file through FOIPP. One month later it was recieved, intact with the exception of all names being whited out. No problem, it is easy to exprapolate who said what.

Attached to the file was the reason from the NCO as to its rejection. However, his reason is not consistent with information provided by sources to the RCMP.

The majority of all the source information was very positive, including references from serving members.

Obviously, some of it was not, but that relates to a past self. So, my today self is being judged on my past self by this one member, and as such, my file was concluded.

So, therefore, my question is, has anyone been successful in challenging the opinion of the RCMP on recruitment matters, ie - Can I write this guy's boss and ask for a review?

My concern is if I re-apply in one year (I think they say that for everyone regardless of circustances) will they just come up with the same line again?

Thank you for your advice.

I'll listen to it and let you know what I do.

That really sucks bro. If you don't mind me asking, what was the reason given? What did they say?

I think you might be able to appeal but it would deffinitely take some doing. It woudl probably be more expedient to reapply in a year.

Again, i feel for ya buddy. You finished everything? Background? medical? Everything>??

[RyanSales]

Justanother.....

Your past self, while it is the past, is a good indicator of what the present self is like.

We all make mistakes, and that is taken into consideration when your file is reviewed. They are not looking for people with a perfectly clean past.

However, it will be evaluated for traits, trends, characteristics, etc, some of which bridge to the present, others which don't. Scenario: 5 years ago I had a big problem with gambling..but I've been clean for 5 years....then I'm introduced to the stressful world of policing....and have a rough couple of months....then I buy into the staff lotto fund....then I stop off at a casino....You get the drift. I can say that being judged on my past gambling addiction is unfair....but as a police officer, it's a potential for problems, and if I was a recruiter, I would want to be ONE HUNDRED percent sure that it wasn't going to become an issue again.

The recruiting NCOs have probably one of the toughest jobs in the force, as they are the ones who ultimately open the gate to all of the responsibilities and powers that come as a police officer. At depot, they catch some of the bad apples that squeek through, but the main place to catch people is in the recruiting stage.

Obviously, there was SOME concern about your application. Without any of us seeing your file and speaking with the NCO in question, everything is purely speculation and won't really help your application out.

My personal recommendation is to wait out the year, work on living a balanced, healthy and productive lifestyle, and then reapply in the year they have given you. The best way to counteract negative things in your file is to balance them out with a whole lot of POSITIVES in the next year. Going above the recruiting NCO (who is in his/her position because his/her boss trusts their judgement) will not be seen in a good light, as it shows that if you do become a police officer, you will be willing to jump the chain of command again!

So, good luck with your file. Lots of members have recieved longer deferals....so you are not alone.

Cheers,
RY

[Friday]

I would suggest an appeal would not be very productive unless you've got some very specific information that the information obtained in the BGI was incorrect, or the investigator has some bias against you. I know it sucks, but persistence in reapplying might be a more positive approach than persistence (annoyance) about you file being closed.

As suggested, don't let it get you down, keep putting the past further behind you, and look for experiences that specifically show you have changed your behavior. Choose references that know the 'new you', and aren't going to drag out skeletons for you from 10 years ago (or whenever). Your references need to be honest though, so if they can attest to your lifestyle turnaround and be animated about it, that might be good too.

Remember, the BGI is an organic thing - there is no simple formula. If an investigator doesn't get warm fuzzies from your file - he/she isn't going to stick their neck out for you - not when there are 1000's of other applicants. It's probably not a case of you being 'that bad', just a matter of a ready supply of easy calls for the BGI.

Keep in the hunt - a new troop is starting here every week.

Good luck

[justanother]

Hi All:

Thank you very much for all of your replies. Certainly some very good opinions.

Yes, I went right to the end. Medical and all.

My application was cancelled based on past employment references. Most stuff was positive, one personality trait was identified which was not favorable to the RCMP.

Thing is, that was my past self, several years ago. My current employer had all good things to say. All of my references were solid and offered very positive opinions.

So there is my dilema... even though my current self was identified as being OK, my past self is not. Thing is, I can maintain (and hopefully improve upon) my current self, but the past will never go away.

I guess the lesson I have picked up here is keep going with the good stuff and hopefully my past personality flaw will be overlooked when I apply in the future.

Thank you all.
I can re apply in a while so I think that is what I'll do.

[Guards]

Guest-justanother said:

Hi All:

Thank you very much for all of your replies. Certainly some very good opinions.

Yes, I went right to the end. Medical and all.

My application was cancelled based on past employment references. Most stuff was positive, one personality trait was identified which was not favorable to the RCMP.

Thing is, that was my past self, several years ago. My current employer had all good things to say. All of my references were solid and offered very positive opinions.

So there is my dilema... even though my current self was identified as being OK, my past self is not. Thing is, I can maintain (and hopefully improve upon) my current self, but the past will never go away.

I guess the lesson I have picked up here is keep going with the good stuff and hopefully my past personality flaw will be overlooked when I apply in the future.

Thank you all.
I can re apply in a while so I think that is what I'll do.

What was this supposedd personality trait? I'm confused...i wouldn't think they would defer you because of one tiny piece of info like that.

[YC]

1 year is not too long, time will just fly back. Maybe this is just a test, they want to see if you will come back. As stupid as it sounds, but we as an applicant sometimes just have to follow how the game are suppose to be play. Good luck!!! You will do it!

[Friday]

The past doesn't go away - but it doesn't get further away. The more time between whatever issue caught you up this time, and your application will be that much more time you can use as an example that you've changed.

You might want to make amends with this former employer if possible. If they are still harbouring some grudge, they are going to nail you every time they can. Only you know the exact situation, but perhaps if you come to some peaceful discussion with them, they might at least speak neutrally or objectively about you.

That said, if you've got more than one former employer singing the same tune - time might be the only solution for you.

[justanotherguestwithaquestion]

Hi All Again:

Just a follow up question.

Do you think that rejection from one police force in the BGI stage precludes application to other departments?

You may be wondering why I am not posting the reason for the deferal, it is because I dont want too much info getting out there that would serve as an identifier.

It's a personality "flaw".

Thanks again.

[guards]

Guest-justanotherguestwithaquestion said:

Hi All Again:

Just a follow up question.

Do you think that rejection from one police force in the BGI stage precludes application to other departments?

You may be wondering why I am not posting the reason for the deferal, it is because I dont want too much info getting out there that would serve as an identifier.

It's a personality "flaw".

Thanks again.

I don';t think it will disqualify you outright but it will deffinitely make it a little more difficult.

Any other police department will want a thorough explanation as to why you failed the BGI with the RCMP.

[Friday]

On most police applications I've seen - it flat out asks if you've ever applied for another force. Different forces will have different standards, but it wouldn't look very good to strike out with 2 or 3 forces and then go back to the first one and reapply a year later.

Talk to a recruiter and be honest about your situation before you apply. They can give you a no BS appraisal of your situation and recommend some ways to deal with it. All this 'I don't want to say too much about it' is just going to generate hypothetical mumbo-jumbo reponses.

[curiousaboutrcmp]

I would suggest not to do anything about your results if you intend on reapplying. You may open up a can of worms for your future applications if you ask for a review.

Next time, and with any other police organization, be 100% open about your past employer and follow what a previous poster suggested. Talk to the ex employer in question so that you may have a better grasp of what they did to prevent your employment with the RCMP. Hopefully, you can turn it around and into something positive.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do.

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