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Post by PATrooper4347 on Mar 26, 2004 0:05:47 GMT -5
Hey, just curious if any of you have done any pratcticals with Simunitions? I am curious as to what type of scenarios were used? What you might think of using them?
-- For anyone who isn't familliar, its a modified "bullet" where the casing is filled with a soap pellet, and usually a low grain for a slower speed, its similar to a paintball but with out the CO2 to propel.
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Post by MALAKA on Mar 26, 2004 2:03:13 GMT -5
Well, I have done the computer aided simulations with the Calgary Police Service. They use a FATS program, which is electronic.
The type of training you are referring to is done with Calgary as well, but I have not experienced it yet. I do know that in Calgary, you are subjected to this training as a recruit. One scenario is clearing a school, and another one I am aware of is one clearing a home. There are actual people who play the offenders and you have to act accordingly to each live scenario.
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Post by journey2cps-redux on Mar 26, 2004 17:00:45 GMT -5
Hmmm...never heard of it but sounds like good "real life" training...sounds like it might be fun too!  Hey Malaka, how's your process goin anyway? |
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Post by MALAKA on Mar 26, 2004 17:37:23 GMT -5
Well, basically just fixed that minor medical problem on Monday. I am looking at June now so... my file will be reactivated then. In the meantime, I'll keep busy with ride alongs and just keep chugging along.  Oh back to training, the live scenarios. There are officers and paid actors who participate in the situations, such as clearing a house, with a possible suspect barricading himself with a weapon. So you actually get physical with the people involved in the scenes. It's not always fun, you will get attacked, OC sprayed. Not just once but several times during training. The OC spray is quite painful. Fights will be initiated, every situation that the average recruit will face will most likely be played out, over and over. Whether in the FATS program or even the live scenarios. I knew one female recruit that suffered two broken ribs, the physical aspect will be there for training. |
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Post by PATrooper4347 on Mar 29, 2004 13:02:48 GMT -5
MALAKA, Those situations sound similar to other officers I have talked to about Simunitions, this summer I will be involved in one of these progams, from what I have herd it involved a traffic stop. The suspect generally packs an automatic rifle, (MP5) although we are not supposed to know what he is packing. I have also herd of the combat scenarios with clearing buildings, where some of the people have on the redman suits where fighting is necessary, and then others with weapons loaded with the simunitions.
but I must agree that OC spray is indeed "quite painful"!!
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Post by Ds Wife on Mar 29, 2004 15:58:20 GMT -5
Wow, it takes a special type of person to be an officer for sure! Sooooo not my cup of tea, but when I was telling my husband about these posts he was getting more and more excited about making it to Calgary. I don't see the appeal personally but then again, I'm not the applicant  . My husband's application goes in at the end of this week so simunitions is still light years away but it's fun for him to hear stories of these things to keep his enthusiasm up. D's Wife |
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Post by mikegee returns04 on Sept 8, 2004 3:18:37 GMT -5
simunitions during "I.A.R.D"/ active shooter trng-also during "bus interdiction trng" (try H.S.S int'l if you are sworn and they have trng in your area-darn good trng!!! but they will NOT train civies-active,reserve cops or active/reserve military only).It is the pressure scenarios along with more realistic(simunitions don't sound exactly like the real thing) problems that make trng intense and worthwhile............... |
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Post by PATrooper4347 on Sept 8, 2004 10:33:40 GMT -5
Just to update this thread on my behalf:, I did simunitions about 3 months ago, it was done for saftey on traffic stops. We did two scenarios of traffic stops. Its set to be a routine stop (although you know your going to get shot at). We were told that the person may be totally compliant, so not to be be too quick to draw down.
I would tell you in detail of the scenearios, but I found the less I knew before I went in the more I learned.
I will tell you I faced a MP5 assult rifle and a 9mm in my situations. I was shot once by each weapon, both were hit in my vest area, which could have been potentially fatal. I did fatally shoot both shooters.
This type of training does serve as a real gut check. These guns are out there and pose serious threats to police. Be careful, and extra vigilant. Stay safe!
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Post by Boyscout on Sept 9, 2004 6:53:35 GMT -5
My sims will be coming up in a month so I then will be able to tell ya how it goes.
Next week is hump week. Half way to Grad ;D
Boyscout
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Post by Charlie on Sept 11, 2004 10:35:04 GMT -5
Did sims training with my PD a couple of weeks ago where we practiced dealing with active shooter scenarios and rescuing down officer/victim situations. The sims work pretty good but getting hit outside the vest sometimes can sting pretty good! Especially at close range!  Took a hit about 6 feet away in my upper thigh and got a nice tennis ball sized bruise there!... I think it is a great training tool WHEN you also take the appropriate precautions and safety measures. AND, have the training properly supervised and monitored. -- Charlie -- Charlie |
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Post by Boyscout on Sept 11, 2004 15:53:04 GMT -5
Right you are Charlie
The troop that is ahead of me are doing their sims. They all say the love it. And you are right about the tennis size brusies.. one female cop showed us her war wounds in the upper arm. We are all proud of her...yeah!
Boyscout
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Post by PATrooper4347 on Sept 14, 2004 11:46:59 GMT -5
Ill give a little tip for future simunitions trainees... Wear gloves!
Alot of the people I trained got those tennis ball sized bruises, but a few of them got shot in the knuckles of thier hands, and tore thier hands up.
Just my 2 cents.
Stay safe
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Post by CalgaryCop on Sept 26, 2004 23:19:34 GMT -5
We had one got shot with the 12 guage version of a sim round (same sim round as goes in a sim .38). The round hit him a couple of mills above his body armor, right in the throat.
That was one quarry that went down RIGHT NOW!!! He was fine after, but plenty sore and swollen.
CalgaryCop
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. My husband's application goes in at the end of this week so simunitions is still light years away but it's fun for him to hear stories of these things to keep his enthusiasm up.
Took a hit about 6 feet away in my upper thigh and got a nice tennis ball sized bruise there!...