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Post by DikTracy on Nov 8, 2002 14:26:27 GMT -5
I have a question for everyone out there, I received a 90 on the NYC written test and Im taking the medical exam on tuesday Nov 12. The thing that really worries me is that 2 1/2 years ago I got in trouble with the law and it is really emabarrising. I was at a school watching H.S sports, also keep in mind at the time of the incident I was 20 years old. But anyway I was at a school and I seen a really hot girl and out of inmaturity I flashed her and I left there thinking it was funny.
A week after that I went back out of stupidity and got arrested for comminting the crime for flashing her the week before with 3 misdemenors. I went to court and fought the charges 2 charges were tresspasing and the other 1 was public lewdness. I knew it was stupid and really imature but I believe it will get me denied.
Well I fought the charges for a year and got the 2 tresspassing taken off my record and the public lewdness dropped down to a disorderly Conduct ( violation). But to have these 3 dropped I had to attend probation for a year and I suceeded in October and everything was dropped, I am really scared because i allways wanted to be a police officer and i dont want this to effect me I know it is going to slow down the process but I dont want them to just throw my file in the garbage after they hear of this.
I do have a Cousin who was in the nyc police and now he has his own detective bussiness and I will put him down
as a reference so he could explain to them also that it was imature and that I grew up in the last 2 years and that I dont want this to effect my carrer in any way becasue I was hoping for this my whole life, but still Im really scared and horrified about all of this, should I even bother to continue or should I just not pursue my dream of being in the police department.
Thank you I greatly appreciate everyones time and patience for reading this and to help me with my concern
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Post by shychyna on Nov 8, 2002 14:58:35 GMT -5
Thats pretty tough to beat. I mean, wont they still have access to the original charges? Even if they can't see the original charges, isn't disorderly conduct bad to have on your record? But then again, the captain for the police dept where I'm applying to, did say it mainly depends on mostlly on the investigator assigned to your background investigation. So, thats a tough one to answer. I know when I filled out my background investigation they specifically didn't want relatives filling out the reference part. So, if it's similar, you will not be able to put your cousin down as a personal reference. I guess you'll have to wait and see. Just make sure you tell the truth and let them know what they want to know, but never provide more than they want.
Good luck to you!
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Post by Drakor on Nov 8, 2002 16:22:41 GMT -5
 I've never understood catcalls and showing yourself in public places to women. I mean has anyone ever had some lady come over after and say hey listen I really need to be with you. I'll chalk it up to being immature. I'd be honest and tell them the truth. I can tell you this they will look into the charges and they will probaly talk to the arresting officer because it only happened a 2 years ago. Listen we all do stupid things and you're no exception. Also as far as using your cousin as a reference. NYPD is the one of the police departments that I know of that goes back generations. Your always hearing my father was a cop and my grandfather was a cop before him. My cousins are cops now......so on. He may have the answer your looking for and he also knows what your allowed to use as far as references. Good Luck K.U.P.
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Post by DikTracy on Nov 9, 2002 14:55:14 GMT -5
Thanks,
Yhea it's defnitley imature and at the time it was childish. It was stupid and now that Iam older its even hard to look back at that issue and look at others but I have an excllent head on my shoulders and walk with pride till this day, but I just hope the detectives can see that, and that I will make an excellent police officer, because I am a hard ambitous worker and If i get the posistion I will serve and protect the people and make sure excellent quality official police duty is executed everyday down to every minute while I'm on duty and off duty. I will try my best and raise my head up high as for everyone out there that is reading this you must too be confident and rise to the occasion and bust your hunp to do whatever it takes.
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Post by TEJ1956 on Nov 9, 2002 23:11:49 GMT -5
What an appropriate handle. Everyone makes mistakes, everyone is immature, but flashing a girl? That is immature if you are 8, but 20? I know you may think I am cold, but have you seen someone about this?
You say you did it out of immaturity and then out of stupidity you went back and got arrested. Do you mean it was stupid that you went back or that you got arrested? Then you fought the charges for how long? Two years? I feel you should have admitted you did something wrong, took your punishment, got counseling and then went on with your life. Then you talk about having a cousin who was a NYC detective and having him talk for you. Why does he need to talk for you? You did the deed right? You need to talk for yourself, stand up for yourself. And finally you say you will be an excellant police officer? How do you know this? Were you one before? You want to be an excellant police officer is a better way to phrase it. Also there a many, many hard ambitious garbage men. Learning, understanding, studying, and listening everyday you are on duty are as important as wanting to be a police officer. I am not trying to say I have all the answers, but you did come here looking for some. If you are lucky enough to get hired and you go to an oral board with that attitude and with those answers; that you know you will be an excellant police officer, you won't get crucified but your scores will not be high. The better attitude is that you don't know everything, that you know you will make mistakes and that you won't be the best officer( at first ) but that you will work as hard or harder than anyone else who is being interviewed to learn how to become that excellant officer. I can tell you after being a police officer on the street now for 4 months, there is no teacher, no book, no website, or no person who can tell you what it is like to be to be a police officer like being there and experienceing it for yourself. Experience is the true teacher in this pofession. On my last shift, we arrested a guy for possession of 1 d.u. of marijuana, broke up a bar fight and started another,( I did because someone threw beer on my partner, needless to say the guy ended up in handcuffs very shortly), started and terminated a high speed pursuit because it didn't meet departmental policy, and responded to a domestic were the husband said he had a gun and was going to shoot anyone who showed up, yet when myself and 4 other "cops" got there, we got out of our cars and ran to this man's porch were he was standingand calling to us. ( he was empty handed and had no guns by the way) Again I apoligize for being so long winded but you came here for answers, I hope I have made you think and have provided some.
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Post by Diktracy on Nov 10, 2002 1:26:36 GMT -5
There is no need for an apology, You are correct and I appreciate your honest and yes I believe u provided me with an excellent answer a little harsh but good info.
Well I did seek counseling because it was something that I admitted to doing and its all over with now, I probally wont get hired because of this but its worth the shot Im not going to give up. To answer u , Well It was a mistake for me to do what I did and I admit to it, but no one would understand unless it happen to them I seeked help and received it and it was 110 % improvement on my life but its all over now. Also Im not having my cousin speek to them I will tell the detectives everything but what I was explaining is that when my cousin sppeks to them maybe the detectives will think twice about throwing my file in the garbage knowing that I had several family members in the NYPD before. I never said I was having him do the dirty work for me but to make the decison a little more secure on my behalf, and I believe there is nothing wrong with that.
Well u r correct about being a officer is your own teacher to teaching your self, and no one will know how it is till they become an officer, But again I was saying that If i do get in I will dedicate my life to the force.
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Post by Drakor on Nov 10, 2002 11:07:41 GMT -5
 Listen we all make mistakes and if you realize your dream is to serve the public, work long hours. Work shifts that interfer with every aspect of a normal family life then the answer is being a policeman. Don't give up, I would come clean tell them yes I did it yes, I was being stupid and yes I' ve learned a very valuable lesson. I'm a better person and I'll make a better policeman. It may take you some time to get hired or the department may make you wait a period of time before they hire you. There are guys on the streets that have done things that make you scratch your head in true amazement, wondering just how in the world they ever made it on the force. Everything is possible. If you set you mind to it the world is yours. It's also a plus to have a generation of policemen in you family tree. I'd use this knowledge it may save you some heartache. The others may disagree with me but I feel like you have a better advantage of being hired because of all the relations already on the force. I wish you the best Good Luck KUP P.S. Baltimore City is hiring like mad and I know they are processing alot of people from the big apple.
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Post by DikTracy on Nov 10, 2002 11:42:48 GMT -5
Thank you Drakor, I appreciate your thought and time.
In some ways I see that we see with the same thought with the police Department, thanks for your reply.
I have a question for you are you in the force and if not where do u stand on the line, and if u are in how long were you a cop for.
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Post by Drakor on Nov 10, 2002 18:58:16 GMT -5
 Lets see my story is fairly lengthy so...... I was a military policeman in the Airforce for 4 years. I was a Correctional Officer for a little over a year. I was hired by the local sheriffs department but elected not to take the job. I've processed for four different agencies..... One was cut short because of Desert Storm. One I was placed on the eligiblity list after my slot was sold to the surrounding counties. I was hired by the other (sheriffs department). They are the county police providing both law enforcement and the detention center. The last one I'm still processing and about to hear something. I've taken five polygraphs in my life and passed everyone. I've had more BIs then I care too. On the plus side I made a copy so it's really easy to fill out an application. ;D I've been around and finally came to the conclusion that who I really want to work for all along is the agency I'm currently processing. Thats my story..... 
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Post by Mookie on Nov 11, 2002 2:00:06 GMT -5
Not for nothing...but doesn't the NYPD have a hiring freeze on now? ???I heard that they may even be laying off cops due to a 6 billion dollar budget deficit for the upcoming fiscal year.
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Post by DikTracy on Nov 11, 2002 4:17:23 GMT -5
They'll be a freeze, but instead of the freeze they are thinking of forcing most cops to retire early because they put in an enormous amount of overtime it makes up for there 2 years they have to work to make there 20 years. Then most likely they will freeze for a little bit, and then the group now including me would be the next class to go on forth, but thats if the freeze does not last more than a year. Its up and down at this time.
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Post by lonesrch13 on Nov 11, 2002 15:34:04 GMT -5
Diktracy,
While I agree with Drakor, I also agree with Tej1956. For the most part, even though for some reason most agencies don't like to admit it nepitism still exists. So, if that works for you, hey, fine. Good for you. The rest of us only wish we had that card to play.
My only advice would be to show your remorse. Admit your faults and try to move on. Just don't fall into the trap of "now that I made it I can slack off".
Good luck to you
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Post by DikTracy on Nov 11, 2002 16:53:37 GMT -5
Lonesrch13,
When I applied for the NYPD I didn't know that I other family in it till I applied becasue its family on my mothers sid which are 2nd cousins and 3rd cousins. I only met them once at a funeral last year. I took the shot becasue I believe and everyone else should too, always try an option once, so I took the test thinking I wasn't even going to pass and when I received a 90 I was amazed not like its a difficult test but test taking is a difficult task for me becaue of nervousness and sometimes it doesnt let u think straight at that time. Then I found out from my grandmother that I had about 6 other family members in the force but they said they will try to do what it takes, but like u said dont sit back and let it be, still give 100% becasue nothing is never a definet, I will make sure of that thank you very much for you opinion and I will keep that in mind
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I've never understood catcalls and showing yourself in public places to women. I mean has anyone ever had some lady come over after and say hey listen I really need to be with you. I'll chalk it up to being immature.
Listen we all make mistakes and if you realize your dream is to serve the public, work long hours. Work shifts that interfer with every aspect of a normal family life then the answer is being a policeman. Don't give up, I would come clean tell them yes I did it yes, I was being stupid and yes I' ve learned a very valuable lesson. I'm a better person and I'll make a better policeman. 
Lets see my story is fairly lengthy so...... I was a military policeman in the Airforce for 4 years. I was a Correctional Officer for a little over a year. I was hired by the local sheriffs department but elected not to take the job. 